From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Perry wrote: > If I may interject, neither Adam nor Eve were physically > immortal to start with.
I'm VERY surprised to hear this response. Why do you believe that they were created as mortal beings who would die?
cpl: There is no scriptural evidence that they were created immortal, nor is there any compelling reason to assume the had to be created immortal.
Perry wrote: > The death that God was talking about was spiritual death!
Does not spiritual life result in physical life, and spiritual death result in physical death?
No. When we believe, we are made alive sprirtually, but we still are going to die a physical death. At the resurrection we will put on the immortal, but we are not talking about resurrection, we are talking about A&E in and after the garden.
Hebrews 9:27 - And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
The literal reading of Genesis 2:17 is as follows:
Green's Literal Translation: but of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil you may not eat, for in the day that you eat of it, dying you shall die. (Genesis 2:17 LITV)
Young's Literal Translation: and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it--dying thou dost die.' (Genesis 2:17 YLT)
The "dying thou dost die" phrase is called among the Rabbi's a doubled death. They interpret it to refer to both spiritual and physical death. This makes a lot of sense to me.
Do you interpret the plural uise of "Gods" and "We" in Genesis the same way the Rabbis do?
There was a reason why God did not want them to live forever. That is why he banned them from the garden and placed guards at the gate. Why would he not want them to live forever? Well, my assumption is that there IS some association with death and redemption: Hebrews 9:27 - "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment". Had they never been able to die, then perhaps they never could have been redeemded.
Perry wrote: > Recall that they were bannished from the garden so > they would not partake of the tree of life and, thus, > live forever in a fallen and unredeemable state. Kicking > them out of the garden was an act of mercy, to remove > them from the presence of the tree of life, thus allowing > them to be remain redeemable.
I don't understand. Why would living forever make them unredeemable?
It seems to me that the problem of them living forever is not that they would be unredeemable, but rather that their progeny being born in a sinful state would have problems created by the longevity of their ancestors.
This is perhaps partly why the lifespan of man was continually shortened as the iniquity of men increased. Modern man's lifespan is one-tenth of those who lived in Adam's generation.
Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.
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