Re: [TruthTalk] deceived

[Kevin Deegan]

Judy says: The above was true in Isaiah's day, it was true when Jesus spoke these words to the Jews (Matt 13:14-16) and it is true today but God has always

had a people, there has always been a remnant who loved God and love

His Truth.

 

Do you LDS believe this?

God has always had TRUE Believers, throughout all time?

How come you guys are silent, on this?

 

And Blaine the last two articles you posted from the internet

arophobia & Street Preachers/SLC ordinance

You left out parts of the article, that are not "faith promoting"

Why shouldn't I think you are trying to pass off HALF TRUTHS?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 

From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Blaine:  But Judy, if what presents itself as the "clear teaching of God's word"

is really so clear, how come your stats--400 different Protestant gospels--

suggest otherwise?   

 

Judy:

The fact that there are so many different gospels does not reflect poorly

on the Word itself, the problem now is with the people, same as it has

always been.  God said "My people perish for lack of knowledge" and  He

does not bless ignorance.

 

Blaine:

I do not doubt they seem clear to you, and they do to me too,  but they

apparently also seem clear to those who draw different conclusions from

you or I--and even you and I do not always agree.  There are not only the

Protestants who cannot agree, but we have a growing number of Messianics

who disagree with what is fundamentally agreed upon by most Protestants--

that the feasts of the Law of Moses no longer need to be kept, the Sabbath

should be observed on Sunday, not Saturday, etc.   All this from the same

"clear teaching of God's word."   Read the following, and tell we that this 

does not describe our day:

 

Judy:

As I say above, it is not a problem with the Word, the problem is with

the people. Scripture is quite clear about the Levitical law and rituals

being nailed to the cross.

 

Isaiah 29:9-10   Stay yourselves, and wonder, cry ye out, and cry:  they

are drunken, but not with wine.  They stagger, but not with strong drink. 

For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath

closed your eyes;  the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.

Isaiah 29:13  Wherefore the Lord said, forasmuch as this people draw near

me with their mouth,  and with their lips do honor me, but have removed

their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept

of men.

 

Judy:

The above was true in Isaiah's day, it was true when Jesus spoke these

words to the Jews (Matt 13:14-16) and it is true today but God has always

had a people, there has always been a remnant who loved God and love

His Truth.

 

Judy

From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Let me throw y'all something to ponder. 

I'm tired of scratching my head alone.  Consider this:

Satan is described as a deceiver.  We are warned that he will,

if possible, deceive us.  I think that all of us will agree that this

is true.  The Bible not only says so; we ourselves have all seen

deceived people.  Sometimes, they are real easy to spot. 

We are not surprised at this.  Satan has been around longer

than the human race.  He is the father of lies. He has experience.  

He is good at what he does. 

 

My question is, since this is a common occurance, how do you

know that you are not the one being deceived?  Satan doesn't

just work on the stupid and the uneducated, and he doesn't say,

"Now I am going to deceive you".  In fact, the way he operates,

the one being deceived never realizes that he or she is deceived. 

It is always someone else.  If you knew you were deceived, you

would not be deceived.  So how do you know that you aren't?

Terry

 

Judy:

Very good question Terry; I've been wondering how to approach

the subject of demon oppressed/led believers and you are making it

easier.  

 

As we see in the life of Abraham (the father of faith) the fruit of faith

is obedience to the will of God. We should recognize the voice of the

Chief Shepherd and obey Him. 

 

Eve was deceived because she listened to the wrong voice and acted

upon the wrong message. At one point during his ministry to the

Church at Corinth the apostle Paul tells them he is afraid for them

"lest somehow as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so

their minds might be corrupted from the simplicity that is in

Christ" (2 Corinthians 11:3) 

 

Paul goes on to speak of one who comes with another Jesus,

a different spirit, and a different gospel - a scenario which we are all

familiar with on TT. Over the 2,000+ years since Calvary the adversary

has produced more than 400 different Protestant gospels and this

is not including the quasi-Christian cults and the RCC. 

 

I know from personal experience that it is possible for a born again

believer to be deceived because I've been there and today I guard

against the spirit of error by continuing to study to show myself

approved to God and to the best of my ability walking in all the light

He has given me. 

 

We must know God and His ways so that when the other voice

speaks to us or any idea that exalts itself above the clear teaching of

God's Word presents itself we are quick to take it captive and cast it

down to the obedience of Christ. (2 Cor 10:5).

 

Grace and Peace,

Judy

 

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