Re: [TruthTalk] deceived

Sat, 07 Feb 2004 14:44:28 -0800

The fact that you steer clear of your TRUE beliefs makes me wonder about your sincerity. Anything less than full disclosure is manipulation, half truths, and subterfuge.

Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] deceived

So if you buy into the "400 different gospels" idea,
The next step is the "One True Church" idea.
Is this what you are leading to Blaine?
 
Blaine:  Now, you are trying to lead the witness, Kevin.    I was actually trying to steer clear of going into Mormonism as the best alternative to the "400" club, but it seems like even when I try, I am always brought up on a short halter and rope, leaving me little room to move in a different direction.  But of course I would be less than honest if I did not admit that would be my first choice of directions to lead into. 
 
 
By the way how many "different gospels" do the followers of Joe Smith have?
LDS, RLDS, and hundreds of others. Make any difference whether it is 300 or 400?
 
Blaine:  Since Judy is only counting major sects of the Protestant Religion  ("Over the 2,000+ years since Calvary the adversary has produced more than 400 different Protestant gospels and this
is not including the quasi-Christian cults and the RCC."), you have to give Mormonism the same latitude.  Doing this, I would guess there might be three or four breakoffs from the LDS Church still in existence--These would include a couple of major polygamous groups, the RLDS (now called the Community of Christ), and maybe the Sons of Levi, a group whose tenants include dressing and acting very conservatively, similar to the Amish.  I also know of one Mesiannic group that has taken up the BoM but rejects the LDS Church as such.  I may not be aware of others you know about, however, so if you know of others by name, perhaps you could steer me onto learning more about them.   
 
From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Blaine:  But Judy, if what presents itself as the "clear teaching of God's word"
is really so clear, how come your stats--400 different Protestant gospels--
suggest otherwise?   
 
Judy:
The fact that there are so many different gospels does not reflect poorly
on the Word itself, the problem now is with the people, same as it has
always been.  God said "My people perish for lack of knowledge" and  He
does not bless ignorance.
 
Blaine:
I do not doubt they seem clear to you, and they do to me too,  but they
apparently also seem clear to those who draw different conclusions from
you or I--and even you and I do not always agree.  There are not only the
Protestants who cannot agree, but we have a growing number of Messianics
who disagree with what is fundamentally agreed upon by most Protestants--
that the feasts of the Law of Moses no longer need to be kept, the Sabbath
should be observed on Sunday, not Saturday, etc.   All this from the same
"clear teaching of God's word."   Read the following, and tell we that this 
does not describe our day:
 
Judy:
As I say above, it is not a problem with the Word, the problem is with
the people. Scripture is quite clear about the Levitical law and rituals
being nailed to the cross.
 
Isaiah 29:9-10   Stay yourselves, and wonder, cry ye out, and cry:  they
are drunken, but not with wine.  They stagger, but not with strong drink. 
For the Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath
closed your eyes;  the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.
Isaiah 29:13  Wherefore the Lord said, forasmuch as this people draw near
me with their mouth,  and with their lips do honor me, but have removed
their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept
of men.
 
Judy:
The above was true in Isaiah's day, it was true when Jesus spoke these
words to the Jews (Matt 13:14-16) and it is true today but God has always
had a people, there has always been a remnant who loved God and love
His Truth.
 
Judy

From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Let me throw y'all something to ponder. 
I'm tired of scratching my head alone.  Consider this:
Satan is described as a deceiver.  We are warned that he will,
if possible, deceive us.  I think that all of us will agree that this
is true.  The Bible not only says so; we ourselves have all seen
deceived people.  Sometimes, they are real easy to spot. 
We are not surprised at this.  Satan has been around longer
than the human race.  He is the father of lies. He has experience.  
He is good at what he does. 
 
My question is, since this is a common occurance, how do you
know that you are not the one being deceived?  Satan doesn't
just work on the stupid and the uneducated, and he doesn't say,
"Now I am going to deceive you".  In fact, the way he operates,
the one being deceived never realizes that he or she is deceived. 
It is always someone else.  If you knew you were deceived, you
would not be deceived.  So how do you know that you aren't?
Terry
 
Judy:
Very good question Terry; I've been wondering how to approach
the subject of demon oppressed/led believers and you are making it
easier.  
 
As we see in the life of Abraham (the father of faith) the fruit of faith
is obedience to the will of God. We should recognize the voice of the
Chief Shepherd and obey Him. 
 
Eve was deceived because she listened to the wrong voice and acted
upon the wrong message. At one point during his ministry to the
Church at Corinth the apostle Paul tells them he is afraid for them
"lest somehow as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so
their minds might be corrupted from the simplicity that is in
Christ" (2 Corinthians 11:3) 
 
Paul goes on to speak of one who comes with another Jesus,
a different spirit, and a different gospel - a scenario which we are all
familiar with on TT. Over the 2,000+ years since Calvary the adversary
has produced more than 400 different Protestant gospels and this
is not including the quasi-Christian cults and the RCC. 
 
I know from personal experience that it is possible for a born again
believer to be deceived because I've been there and today I guard
against the spirit of error by continuing to study to show myself
approved to God and to the best of my ability walking in all the light
He has given me. 
 
We must know God and His ways so that when the other voice
speaks to us or any idea that exalts itself above the clear teaching of
God's Word presents itself we are quick to take it captive and cast it
down to the obedience of Christ. (2 Cor 10:5).
 
Grace and Peace,
Judy
 

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