From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:34:56 -0500
Blaine wrote: >> The Protestant doctrine as I have always understood it >> is that men both inherit the potential for sin, and are >> born with that sin upon them, therefore having need of >> Baptism for the remission of that sin.
Perry wrote: > This is where you have it wrong...protestants believe > only in #2.
DavidM wrote: Perry, there are Protestants who believe in infant baptism. For example, this position is held by Methodists, Lutherans, Episcopalians and Presbyterians. The main original reformers, such as Martin Luther and John Calvin, strongly believed in infant baptism.
I did a quick search and found the following link to a John Calvin's position: http://www.geocities.com/the_theologian/content/doctrine/calvinbaptism.html
Perry wrote: In other posts on the same topic I said "most" or "almost all", when talking about these beliefs, but erred in saying "all" above. However, I think it iimportant that Blaine understand that not all protestants practice infant baptism. How about the Baptists. I would guess not. Would you say "most" christians do not believe in infant baptism? Do you know what percentage those churches comprise of the protestant churches?
Having left the church behind in 1968, I returned around 1992. Since then I have attended primarily non-denominational and evangelical chuirches, none of which have practiced, or believe essential, or even biblical, infant baptism. I believe that, too.
I also found some of Martin Luther's writings on infant baptism at: http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/lutheranism/24080 and http://www.apuritansmind.com/Baptism/LutherMartinCatechismInfantBaptism. htm
It seems to me that Judy does not believe in #2 version of Original Sin. She said that Jesus would be guilty if he had any inheritance from Adam. She has expressed agreement with number 2, but her comments do not seem to follow that. I cannot find any logical consistency in her comments to really know at this time exactly what she believes about original sin and guilt.
Judy also has introduced a term, "spiritual inheritance" from Adam. This needs further explanation as I only perceive in physical inheritance from Adam and nothing spiritual at all. I hope she addresses this because I have a hard time following her dialogue and responding at this time.
Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.
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