Blaine: I know infant baptism was almost universal among European Protestant denominations. . I was in charge of the names extraction program in my old LDS Stake, and I had to audit the work done by other extractors, which included records from almost every Protestant denomination in Europe. The Christening date is unerringly there--if you doubt this, go to any family history library and select a few records at random. You will see what I mean. In fact, I often used the Christening date to determine age and etc., if I could not find a birth date, because the two dates were almost always less than a couple of weeks apart--infants!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:19 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD > > >From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD > >Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:34:56 -0500 > > > >Blaine wrote: > > >> The Protestant doctrine as I have always understood it > > >> is that men both inherit the potential for sin, and are > > >> born with that sin upon them, therefore having need of > > >> Baptism for the remission of that sin. > > > >Perry wrote: > > > This is where you have it wrong...protestants believe > > > only in #2. > > > >DavidM wrote: Perry, there are Protestants who believe in infant baptism. > >For example, this position is held by Methodists, Lutherans, Episcopalians > >and Presbyterians. The main original reformers, such as Martin Luther and > >John Calvin, strongly believed in infant baptism. > > > >I did a quick search and found the following link to a John Calvin's > >position: > >http://www.geocities.com/the_theologian/content/doctrine/calvinbaptism.html > > Perry wrote: In other posts on the same topic I said "most" or "almost all", > when talking about these beliefs, but erred in saying "all" above. However, > I think it iimportant that Blaine understand that not all protestants > practice infant baptism. How about the Baptists. I would guess not. Would > you say "most" christians do not believe in infant baptism? Do you know what > percentage those churches comprise of the protestant churches? > > Having left the church behind in 1968, I returned around 1992. Since then I > have attended primarily non-denominational and evangelical chuirches, none > of which have practiced, or believe essential, or even biblical, infant > baptism. I believe that, too. > > >I also found some of Martin Luther's writings on infant baptism at: > >http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/lutheranism/24080 > >and > >http://www.apuritansmind.com/Baptism/LutherMartinCatechismInfantBaptism. > >htm > > > >It seems to me that Judy does not believe in #2 version of Original Sin. > >She said that Jesus would be guilty if he had any inheritance from Adam. > >She has expressed agreement with number 2, but her comments do not seem > >to follow that. I cannot find any logical consistency in her comments > >to really know at this time exactly what she believes about original sin > >and guilt. > > > >Judy also has introduced a term, "spiritual inheritance" from Adam. > >This needs further explanation as I only perceive in physical > >inheritance from Adam and nothing spiritual at all. I hope she > >addresses this because I have a hard time following her dialogue and > >responding at this time. > > > >Peace be with you. > >David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. > > > >---------- > >"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > >know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > >http://www.InnGlory.org > > > >If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a > >friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Plan your next US getaway to one of the super destinations here. > http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
