----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 2:02
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Baptist
Baptism
Blaine: Scroll
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DAVEH:
Hmmmmmm........I'm a bit confused about this, Kevin. Are you using a
different definition for Baptists than is normally recognized? Or, do
you belong to an off-shoot branch of the Baptist tree? The reason I ask
this is that my WORLD BOOK Encyclopedia says this about
Baptists:
"Baptists are members of a large
Protestant religious group who reserve baptism for adult or mature persons who
affirm their faith in Jesus Christ as their savior. .......
The Baptist movement developed as one wing of English Congregationalism during
the early 1600's. ........ Early history.
The earliest Baptist leader was John Smyth, a clergyman in the Church of
England. About 1607, Smyth went to the Netherlands with those English
exiles who later became the Pilgrims of New England. While in the
Netherlands, Smyth and 36 of the exiles formed a Baptist church.
......"
So Kevin........As you
can see, Baptists are conventionally considered to be Protestant. And,
they have a founder (Smyth) who did so in during the Reformation time
frame. Why the discrepancy between what the WBE says and what you are
telling me? Are you and they talking about the same Baptist
Church?
BTW.......I am
experiencing severe email problems right now. Until I get this resolved,
I am not able to receive any email. Hopefully I will be able to sort it
out tomorrow or soon thereafter. If not......I won't be reading your
reply until I am able to get another computer up and running. This could
be a big problem, as I am anxious to hear your answer to my above
questions.
Kevin Deegan wrote:
DAVEH: Didn't you say you were
a Baptist, Kevin? Aren't Baptists considered to be
Protestants? They existed before there was any such thing as a
protestant. Protestants came out of the catholic church.Sir Isaac
Newton: "The Baptists are the only body of known Christians that have
never symbolized with Rome."If they never got in, how could they come out?
By the way who was it that the Catholics burned before the reformation?
Blaine: I think it is very interesting that you are
making this assertion, Kevin, because it basically supports the position of
the Mormon Church that infant baptism was never a doctrine of the Primitive
Church of Jesus Christ. In other words, if the present day Baptist
doctrine that only converted persons may be baptized was the original
doctrine, and this same doctrine is a fundamental doctrine of the Church of
Jesus Christ of LDS, which is clearly stated in the Book of Mormon, it seems
reasonable to assume this supports the LDS doctrine that their doctrines
were given of God, not taken from other churches prominant at the time of
Joseph Smith. In fact, Joseph's mother and some of his siblings had
joined the Presbyterian Church (teaches infant baptism) when Joseph
Smith received his plates . . . ? What about
this?
Mosheim (Lutheran Historian): "Before the rise of Luther and
Calvin, there lay secreted in almost all the countries of Europe persons who
adhered tenaciously to the principles of modern Dutch
Baptists."
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