On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 23:09:38 -0700 "Blaine Borrowman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Blaine: But even if it was a lie, you have
>> to admit it was a grand lie--
>> too good for any man to do
>
> So? What's your point?
(Blaine)
> Just that if it was too good for man to do,
> it had to come from extraterrestrial sources--
You haven't proven that it's "too good for man to do." That's an
unwarranted assumption on your part. It's possible, but there's no
logical reason to believe that Jo didn't dream this stuff up on his own.
(Blaine)
> but I was not thinking of evil sources--
> just Godly sources. (:>)
Assuming that Jo had spiritual help, there's no logical reason to
assume that help was from God or from God's agents. You need to provide
proof other than unwarranted assumptions and personal bias.
>> satan is the father of liars. It seems
>> reasonable to me to assume
>> that he can lie better than any man.
(Blaine)
> I'm sure he can, his name--Satan--is Hebrew.
> It means "Slanderer." But I believe Satan would be
> far more interested in lying to prevent
> a good cause than in lying to promote it.
The brutal, communist dictatorships provided foreign aid to less
fortunate people. The muslims regularly collect money for charities. Some
Boy Scout leaders are atheists. According to a recent report from the
roman catholic denomination, at least four percent of their clergy are
sexual predators, but those same clergymen preach good works from their
pulpits. Good works don't make lds the true church.
> (blaine) The LDS Church is a force for good--
> why would Satan create a Church that
> actively seeks to do good?
I believe satan would create a group that does good to entice people
who do not recognize unGodly doctrine, so he can take them with himself
into eternal damnation. satan can use good works as sweet honey to trap
the unwary.
>> Perhaps lds doctrine is dreamed up
>> by satan personally, or perhaps he
>> trusts his demon subordinate, moroni,
>> to dream up the details. It matters
>> little which demon created the lie.
(Blaine)
> This is an unsupported assumption..
> You need to tell us why you assune it is a lie?
> (Other than your biases (:>)
LOL ! You assume that I assume, and you assume that I speak from
bias. Doesn't that mean you're actually doing that of which you accuse me
of doing? ;)
I need only one good example of bad doctrine to show that you folks
are wrong. (I base my beliefs on the bible being the trustworthy word of
God. If you don't share that belief, then we have no common ground on
which to stand. If you don't believe the bible is God's word, tell me
now, so we won't waste time talking past each other.)
The best example I can think of is marriage. Jesus said plainly that
there would be no marriage nor giving in marriage in the afterlife. The
bible says that marriage terminates upon the death of one of the spouses.
On the other hand, lds teaches that there can be eternal, celestial
marriage which last into the afterlife and does not terminate upon the
death of a spouse. I have a choice. I can believe God, or I can believe
the mormons. I choose to believe God.
If we assume that Jo did not imagine lds doctrine, then, from the
marriage example above, we can conclude that the spirit which promulgated
lds doctrine is not of God. There's only two groups of spritual beings
floating around this universe: God's group, and satan's group; therefore,
because lds doctrine is not from God, it must be from satan's unclean
spirits.
>> mohammed promulgated a grand lie,
>> too good for any man to do. Does
>> that make islam the true religion?
(Blaine)
> No The book, Satanic Verses, written
> by Salmon Rushde (?) suggests you
> might be right on this. But the two
> religions have few similarities, except
> on a superficial level. Have you actually
> ever compared Mormonism with Mohammedism?
The idea that they share only a few superficial similarities is not
the point here. The point is that you claim a grand idea beyond the
ability of man to imagine must be spiritual, and it MUST be of God.
Islam's grand ideas demonstrate clearly that similarly grand ideas can
very well be of the devil, therefore, assuming that Jo's big ideas are
from a spiritual source, clearly that source is not necessarily God.
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