Blaine: See my Previous post, for an example
of good works done by my Church. I could go into this in much greater
detail if you would like. I have been a missionary in the Inner City--the
poorer areas of Salt Lake City. I can tell you much about the Church's
efforts to help others regardless of religious affiliation.
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What advantage is there to
Mormonism? None
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> > Blaine: So are you saying a Burning in the Bosom
> > experience is not a good test for Truth?
> > Blaine: So are you saying a Burning in the Bosom
> > experience is not a good test for Truth?
Blaine: I don't recall
saying that--did you state this the way you meant it? It seems
inconsistent with what you wrote below. (:>)
>
> I was gonna lurk for a couple of days to see what this list is all
> about, but when I read some of this stuff I just hafta put my two cents
> in.
>
> Blaine, off the top of my head, I seem to recall that the bible says
> that we'll know false teachers from real teachers by their works. It's
> the good fruit from good trees and bad fruit from bad trees thing. A
> "Burning in the Bosom" can very easily be from satan, imho. I personally
> would never rely upon a burning bosom. I can't understand why anybody
> would rely upon such a subjective thing.
>
> I was gonna lurk for a couple of days to see what this list is all
> about, but when I read some of this stuff I just hafta put my two cents
> in.
>
> Blaine, off the top of my head, I seem to recall that the bible says
> that we'll know false teachers from real teachers by their works. It's
> the good fruit from good trees and bad fruit from bad trees thing. A
> "Burning in the Bosom" can very easily be from satan, imho. I personally
> would never rely upon a burning bosom. I can't understand why anybody
> would rely upon such a subjective thing.
Blaine: LOL All
religious experience is subjective, is it not? We can try to repeat the
religious experiences of others who make claims to have had religious
experiences, but how can this be done? I know of no way to do it. If
you can tell me a way, OK. But as far as I can see, subjectivity is
basically what religion is all about. For example: Paul claimed to
have seen a light, and reported that he heard a voice speaking to him from the
light. Do you believe this? If so, why? Certainly it cannot be
because you tested the vision scientifically--objectively. His experience
was unique. So, how can this be tested except by subjective
means? The same is also true of Joseph Smith's experiences. If
you exercise faith so small as to be called a desire to believe (like a
mustard seed) the truth will take root in you and grow--and you will know
subjectively what the truth is. It may be a burning in the bosom, or
some other evidence to bolster your faith. But if you doubt, the seed will
not take root, and you will be left to yourself, with nothing but your own
natural powers of understanding. Faith is a spiritual thing, and leans not
to one's carnal nature for support.
For example, I suspect that the
> unfortunate people who allow themselves to be swept up by the laughing
> movement probably feel something in their bosom, but a burning bosom does
> not signify God's sanction for lying on the floor while laughing or
> rolling on the floor while barking like a dog. In the same vein, I don't
> see your burning bosom as anything more than the work of your demon
> overseers.
>
> Well, that's the way I see it.
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> unfortunate people who allow themselves to be swept up by the laughing
> movement probably feel something in their bosom, but a burning bosom does
> not signify God's sanction for lying on the floor while laughing or
> rolling on the floor while barking like a dog. In the same vein, I don't
> see your burning bosom as anything more than the work of your demon
> overseers.
>
> Well, that's the way I see it.
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