Re: [TruthTalk] The Last Days

[Dave]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:32:37 -0800 Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DAVEH: What I am trying to do is find out why the early Reformers did not claim the RCC folks had apostasies instead of just suggesting their doctrines were broken. In my sometimes humble opinion, they probably didn't see the heresies as apostasies. If one claims to believe that Jesus is the way, the truth, the light, and nobody gets to the Father or paradise or heaven without first believing in Jesus, then they are not apostate. When somebody says, "I just don't believe anymore. I've stopped believing that Jesus is the Christ, the Annointed One, the means chosen by the Father to be reconciled with humanity," then that person is apostate. DAVEH:  Ahhhhhhh......I see.  We (LDS) view apostasy a bit differently, I think. Giving the strong lds bent of some here, the next question might be, "If Mormons claim to believe in Jesus, then why are they not considered Christians?" In my opinion, the short answer is that they believe in a counterfeit Jesus, one not described in the bible. They believe His Father was once a man like us, contrary to the bible. They believe He and lucifer were / are spirit brothers, whereas the bible tells us that God, through the ... um .... person of Jesus created everything, which of course would include the creature lucifer. No doubt there's more, but I haven't exhaustively studied lds-ism, so I can't come up with more off the top of my head. DAVEH:  There is no need to do that, as I'm sure it has all been aired on TT already.   FTR though, I must respectfully disagree with your conclusions, Vincent. vincent j fulton ---------- -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain Five email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF and MOTORCYCLE.