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From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Last
Days
> The RCC needed reformation because it was
broken, not missing.
>
> Plus, as several have told you, there always has been a true church that
> existed outside the RCC.
>
> I do not believe that the restituion of all things has anything to so with
> the LDS. Just another LDS prooftext. In fact, the only references to
> restoring all things I found were in Matthew and Luke, when it states that
> Elijah will restore all things...do you consider JS to be Elijah? If not,
> please give ma a chapter and verse.
>
> Plus, as several have told you, there always has been a true church that
> existed outside the RCC.
>
> I do not believe that the restituion of all things has anything to so with
> the LDS. Just another LDS prooftext. In fact, the only references to
> restoring all things I found were in Matthew and Luke, when it states that
> Elijah will restore all things...do you consider JS to be Elijah? If not,
> please give ma a chapter and verse.
Blaine I
would also like chapters and verses regards Elijah restoring all
things in Matthew and Luke.
>
> >From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Last Days
> >Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 23:59:55 -0800
> >
> >
> >
> >Charles Perry Locke wrote:
> >
> >> If I may add a comment, there is a difference between reformation and
> >>restoration. The protestant movement was a reformation...JS' movement was
> >>a restoration. I see them as quite different.
> >
> >DAVEH: I understand that, Perry. I'm trying to figure out why they went
> >with a reformation instead of a restoration. Seems like the Bible suggests
> >there would be a restitution (restoration) of all things, rather than a
> >reformation. Wouldn't it have been more Biblical for the Reformers to
> >think in restitution/restoration terms? Is there Biblical evidence to
> >suggest a reformation?
> >
> >>Luther thought the church had gone astray,
> >
> >DAVEH: Yes.....That seems like a perfect reason to suggest an apostasy had
> >taken place in/by the RCC. I'm surprised the Reformers did not consider
> >such.
> >
> >>and reformed it to correct doctrinal error. JS thought the church had
> >>totally apostatized, so totally resored it. I dfon;t think the two can be
> >>compared.
> >
> >DAVEH: I wasn't trying to compare them. To me the restoration makes
> >perfect sense from the Biblical evidence of an apostasy, and subsequent
> >restitution. Yet the Reformers evidently didn't see it that way, but
> >rather preferred to consider that the RCC folks simply strayed a bit and
> >needed some reforming instead of restoring what was lost.
> >
> >>
> >> I agree with Luther (in that the church had gone astray, and that
> >>reformation was due),
> >
> >DAVEH: Since you agree with the early Reformers, then perhaps you can
> >answer my questions about it......assuming you understand what I'm asking.
> >Forget about JS for a moment.....And consider the RCC folks. Do you think
> >they just had some bad doctrine that evolved over the years? Or.....do you
> >view them as apostates from the Primitive Church? And, if they were
> >Apostates....then wouldn't a restoration have made sense from the
> >Reformers' (or your) perspective? If not, there must be some Biblical
> >reason you/Reformers did not think a restitution is/was necessary.....
> >
> >>but not JS.
> >
> >DAVEH: Listen Perry.....I understand that few TTers have any sympathy for
> >JS. I'm not trying to promote him in TT. I'm not asking you to believe
> >him or his teachings. But, my curiosity is certainly biased by what I know
> >and believe about his teachings....forgive me for that. What interests me
> >though is what reasons (Biblical) you (and Protestants in general) believe
> >the way you do when it seems so odd to me. I hope that makes sense. For
> >instance, I see the Bible speak about a falling away (apostasy) and the
> >need for a restitution (restoration) of all things, and it fits into my
> >theological and Biblical inclinations. I hear your thinking about the RCC
> >having some skewed doctrines that needed reformed, and then the Reformers
> >making some minor changes.....and I don't see that in the Bible. It is not
> >that I'm trying to hit you over the head with this.....I'm just trying to
> >figure out why you see it your way when I see it another way and we both
> >are viewing it from a Biblical perspective.
> >
> >>
> >>Perry
> >>
> >>
> >
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