[TruthTalk] reliability of the HOLY BIBLE

[Judy Taylor]

Thank you for sending this list David, I still don't comprehend how you have reached your conclusion ie: that the Bible is not scripture and that scripture is more than the Bible. I think the same wisdom that applied to Israel in Deuteronomy 29 applies to us today also:   "The secret things belong to the Lord our God but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children for ever that we may do all the words of this law" (Deut 29:29)   I don't know about you but I'm not complaining. I have enough of a time keeping up with what we do have. judyt   "Man in his pomp is like the beasts that perish"     David Miller wrote: There also is a difference between Scripture and the Bible.  Both are the written word of  God, but Scripture includes more than what is found in the Bible.  Do you want to talk about  this? One of the criteria used for determining which books made it into the Bible is whether or not it is quoted by Jesus or another inspired person as being considered Scripture.  Well, the Bible has several quotes from writings which we do not currently have in our Bible.  This suggests that there are Scriptures beyond what is in our Bible.  Now this does not mean that our Bibles are insufficient for us.  God knows what Scriptures our generation needs.  However, it appears to me that different generations might have had different Scriptures.   Jude 14, 15 quotes the book of Enoch.  And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. (Jude 1:14-15 KJV).  While we have a book of Enoch (see our library web page at www.InnGlory.org), there is some dispute about whether these versions that we do have are authentic (the one that Jude was actually quoting from).  In any case, this book is not in the Bible, but it is Scripture or Jude would not quote from it like he did.   2 Chron. 33:18-19 refers to the "sayings of the seers." Now the rest of the acts of Manasseh, and his prayer unto his God, and the words of the seers that spake to him in the name of the LORD God of Israel, behold, they are written in the book of the kings of Israel. His prayer also, and how God was intreated of him, and all his sin, and his trespass, and the places wherein he built high places, and set up groves and graven images, before he was humbled: behold, they are written among the sayings of the seers. (2 Chronicles 33:18-19 KJV)   2 Chron. 35:25 refers to another book of lamentations written before the book of lamentations of Jeremiah, which we have in our Bibles. And Jeremiah lamented for Josiah: and all the singing men and the singing women spake of Josiah in their lamentations to this day, and made them an ordinance in Israel: and, behold, they are written in the lamentations. (2 Chronicles 35:25 KJV)   Luke 24:46-47 seems to quote Scripture which we do not have. And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (Luke 24:46-47 KJV) We have no record of the following quote ("he shall be called a Nazarene"): And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene. (Matthew 2:23 KJV)   Who was James quoting in the following passage: Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy? (James 4:5 KJV) The following verse does not appear to have come from the gospels or any other Scripture that we have: I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive. (Acts 20:35 KJV)   In Acts 15:23, it indicates letters were written and sent to the churches in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia.  While Luke gives us the abbreviated version of what these letters said, we don't have them in our Bibles today.  If we did have them, they would probably have been included in the Bible.   1 Cor. 5:9 indicates that there was another letter written to the Corinthians.  I see no reason not to consider this other letter to have been Scripture.  I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators... (1Corinthians 5:9 KJV)   Anyway, I think you get my drift on this...   Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida.