Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky?

[Dave]

Kevin Deegan wrote: I don't care what you call the rock. DAVEH:  OK.  To me it seems relatively important though.  And of course the RCC folks feel the same way, though they look at it quite differently.  Jesus seemed to be trying to convey a message to Peter with his rock reference.  It surprises me you don't think it may be important to understand what he was trying to convey. The verse says the gates of hell DAVEH:  What do you think the gates of hell mean, Kevin?  IMO, it refers to physical death.  I assume you believe otherwise? will not prevail against the church Thye other verse teaches the church will exist througout ALL AGES DAVEH:  ???  I'm not sure why you would think that.  Jesus must be mistaken because you know there was a TOTAL Apostacy shortly after the last apostle died there were no more christians on earth. DAVEH:  Why do you think there could not be a total apostasy unless there were no Christians on earth?   From my perspective, the priesthood (the authority to act in the Lord's name) could have been withdrawn (so to speak) while believers in Jesus could have existed.  >From your perspective, if there is a believer on the earth, he would have the priesthood.....is that correct?  To me, that is hard to understand because I don't see Biblical evidence for women having the priesthood authority.  I assume you believe otherwise? WDJKa (What does Jesus know anyhow)   Seems the DOGMA & tradition of men, here is "The Great Apostacy" have you the book? DAVEH:  Yes. If there are no christians there is no church right? DAVEH:  It does seem hard to imagine a church existing without believers.  That does not mean that believers can't exist without having the authority to act in God's behalf....IOW, having the priesthood authority.     The RCC folks claim the authority was apostallicly passed down.  Historical evidence would suggest that it became corrupted as it evolved from Biblical theology to doctrines adopted by men and commonly accepted today.  The T-Doctrine is a prime example, IMO, having been a politically motivated consensus of  those who wanted unity by watering down doctrinal truth. Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kevin Deegan wrote: True Christianity was NEVER lost Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; DAVEH:  IMHO......that rock was revelation, Kevin.   So, to me it makes sense that after a general apostasy (falling away), it would be a restitution of all things via revelation to the Lord's servants, the prophets. and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. EPH 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen. God's word was NEVER lost DAVEH:  I don't think we were referring to God's word being lost, but rather to people being lost....searching to and fro for the truth.  As Isaiah recorded in 29:13..... Wherefore the Lord said, For as much as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men. ........Rather than hear the real message of the Lord's word, they become lost due to the dogma and traditions (such as the T-Doctrine & belief in a literal lake of fire and brimstone) derived by men centuries ago.  At least that's how I see it.     To suggest that God's word was never lost, I think that might be short sighted thinking.  Seems to me there are a lot of gaps in or knowledge of what happened in Biblical times, and what God may have revealed.  Is that not why there are so many theological questions and controversies over doctrines?  Furthermore, there are books written (viz, THE LOST BOOKS OF THE BIBLE) regarding material that has since been discovered. You may have lost it or may never have found it. God's word is ETERNAL & ALIVE   1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.   But then again you do not trust His word DAVEH:  I think I trust it far more than I trust those who purport the Bible is all God has revealed, Kevin. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain Five email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF and MOTORCYCLE.