[TruthTalk] ON MEANING

[Judy Taylor]

From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I truly don't mean what you think I mean. Without meaning there are only words (including God's Words). Even with God's Spirit we all demonstrate a remarkable capacity to circumvent His Meaning. And, without meaning there is no communication just an exchange of words. Honestly. Forget Bill; ask for a general response from all TTers (Now Bill, you stay out of this). on this issue. Take my meaning..please (Rodney Dangerfield) Lance   jt: Why would I want to do that?  Are the majority always right? The majority in Israel certainly weren't the ones to follow when it came time to go into the Promised Land; God only approved two men from the old generation; so how will it prove anything to take a vote on this list?   judyt     From: Judy Taylor From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> NOT NECESSARILY OURS. Of course there's a meaning. If the Meaning of God's Word(s) were apprehended by all True Believers then...see my earlier posts concerning Unity, Division, Spot & Blemish, and on and on..   jt: The Church Jesus comes for will be unified. They will be unified around His Word; they will have been cleansed by His Word without accompanying spot and or blemish etc. Speaking of spot/blemish didn't you say "whatever that means?"  I showed you in God's Word what it means and you don't accept that.  So does this mean IYO I am not a True Believer?   Now, as an example ask Bill if he understood what my meaning was in my last couple of posts to you. If he did and you didn't...Case closed..right?   jt: I don't need to ask Bill as he keeps cheering you on like half time at a ball game.  However, you and he are unified over some extra Biblical concept that negates the judgment of God and you have yet to give any scriptural grounds for such a belief.   judyt     From: Judy Taylor From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judy: "This is what my KJV says, Lance" Surely on this occasion and numerous others you've come to see that the differences manifested on TT HAVE NOT TO DO WITH WHAT IS SAID BUT OVER WHAT IS MEANT. I know from others posts from you Judy, that you're aware of this distinction. Lance   jt: Are you telling me that the Word of God does not mean what it says? If this is what you are saying then "No, I don't have this distinction and the differences manifested on TT make no difference to me. I believe God says what He means and He means what He says.  judyt     [EMAIL PROTECTED]> He comes to it? Just like TT, just like your local "garden variety" Baptist, Lutheran, Pentecostal, Charismatic etc. Church. SOME IN THEM WILL be without spot or blemish (whatever that actually means). There is no "grand transformation" about to take place (either to TT or to the Churches). Lance   This is what my KJV says Lance   "Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it that he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the Word, that he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish." Eph 5:26,27   Sounds to me like the issue is sanctification/holiness Jesus was a lamb without blemish and without spot (1 Peter 1:19)   Contrast Him with actual spots.... "These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption; for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage for if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them" (2 Peter 2:17-20)   "These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. " (Jude 16)