Sent: March 29, 2004 15:38
Subject: [TruthTalk] ON MEANING
From: "Lance Muir" <
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I truly
don't mean what you think I mean.
Without meaning there are only words
(including God's Words).
Even with God's Spirit we all demonstrate a
remarkable capacity to
circumvent His Meaning. And, without meaning there
is no
communication just an exchange of words. Honestly. Forget Bill;
ask for a general response from all TTers (Now Bill, you stay out
of this). on this issue. Take my meaning..please
(Rodney Dangerfield) Lance
jt: Why would I want to do that? Are the
majority always right?
The majority in Israel certainly weren't the ones to
follow when
it came time to go into the Promised Land; God only
approved
two men from the old generation; so how will it prove
anything
to take a vote on this list?
judyt
From: Judy Taylor
From: "Lance Muir" <
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NOT
NECESSARILY OURS. Of course there's a meaning.
If the Meaning of God's
Word(s) were apprehended by all
True Believers then...see my earlier posts
concerning Unity,
Division, Spot & Blemish, and on and on..
jt: The Church Jesus comes for will be unified. They
will be
unified around His Word; they will have been cleansed by
His
Word without accompanying spot and or blemish etc.
Speaking of spot/blemish
didn't you say "whatever that
means?" I showed you in God's Word what
it means and
you don't accept that. So does this mean IYO I am not a
True Believer?
Now, as an example ask Bill if he understood what my
meaning was in
my last couple of posts to you. If he did
and you didn't...Case
closed..right?
jt: I don't need to ask Bill as he keeps cheering you
on like
half time at a ball game. However, you and he are unified
over some extra Biblical concept that negates the judgment
of God and
you have yet to give any scriptural grounds for
such a belief.
judyt
From: Judy Taylor
From: "Lance Muir" <
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Judy:
"This is what my KJV says, Lance" Surely on this occasion
and numerous
others you've come to see that the differences manifested
on TT HAVE NOT
TO DO WITH WHAT IS SAID BUT OVER WHAT
IS MEANT. I know from others posts
from you Judy, that you're
aware of this distinction. Lance
jt: Are you telling me that the Word of God does not
mean what it says?
If this is what you are saying then "No, I don't have
this distinction and
the differences manifested on TT make no difference to
me. I believe
God says what He means and He means what He says.
judyt
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He comes
to it? Just like TT, just like your local "garden variety"
Baptist,
Lutheran, Pentecostal, Charismatic etc. Church. SOME
IN THEM WILL be
without spot or blemish (whatever that actually means).
There is no "grand
transformation" about to take place (either to
TT or to the Churches).
Lance
This is what my KJV says Lance
"Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for
it that he might
sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the
Word, that
he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having
spot, or
wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and
without
blemish." Eph 5:26,27
Sounds to me like the issue is
sanctification/holiness
Jesus was a lamb without blemish and without spot
(1 Peter 1:19)
Contrast Him with actual spots....
"These are
wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest
to whom the
mist of darkness is reserved for ever. For when they speak
great swelling
words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh
through much
wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them
who live in error.
While they promise them liberty, they themselves
are the servants of
corruption; for of whom a man is overcome, of the
same is he brought in
bondage for if after they have escaped the
pollutions of the world through
the knowledge of the Lord and Savior
Jesus Christ, they are again entangled
therein, and overcome, the latter
end is worse with them than the
beginning. For it had been better for
them not to have known the way of
righteousness, than, after they
have known it to turn from the holy
commandment delivered to them"
(2 Peter 2:17-20)
"These are murmurers, complainers, walking after
their own lusts; and
their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having
men's persons in
admiration because of advantage. " (Jude
16)
