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Sent: March 30, 2004 07:39
Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:The Holy
Bible
From: "Lance Muir" <
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Said
& Meant: Do you acknowledge that, on occasion, a reader
will "receive" a meaning from what the writer said that the writer
did not intend? If yes then, finally we're on, as they say, "the same
page".
My wife will, on occasion, say to a student: (name withheld) say back to
me what I just said to you but in your own words. She does this to
ascertain
that the student has apprehended her "meaning". As I've said previously,
when there's no "overlap in meaning" between persons, there's no real
communication (dialogue) taking place. Are we in agreement here? Lance
jt: Yes... and this is probably the basis for
paraphrases of the Bible
which is a whole other controversy... won't go there
right now ...
Are you willing to concede that I may not always be
in "attack mode"
and give me the benefit of the doubt?
From: Judy Taylor
I'm sure of what I said Lance and I know what I
meant.
I'm just not used to people on TT getting my drift so it's
a bit
of a shock for you to say that you do and yet still think
I am "in attack
mode" ..
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SURE?
Seriously Judy, if you're not sure what you meant through
what you said
then, no I can't be sure I got your "drift" either. Lance
From: Judy Taylor
From: "Lance Muir" <
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Thanks
Judy. You did apprehend my meaning and,
in the end agreed. Aside from
assuming the "attack mode"
at the outset you acknowledged that there are
limitations to
our understanding of Scripture's meaning and, throughout
life will continue to be this "seeing in part". Thanks, Lance
jt: Are you sure we agree Lance :) because I really didn't
"assume attack mode", this is just my way of expressing
myself. My
heart is not to attack you or any person on TT,
neither is it to lift
myself up and put you or anyone here
down. I see truth as objective
and important enough to
risk being misunderstood. judyt
jt: This is the problem and the reason we do not communicate.
Your
view is totally natural, mine supernatural or Spiritual. I
would say the
Bible was written by the inspiration of the Holy
Spirit and is ONLY ever
interpreted correctly with the help and
assistance of the Holy Spirit
because the things of God are
foolishness to the 'natural man'.
Is there anyone on this site who has not, on occasion,
misinterpreted
Scripture? Or, God forbid, may not presently be
misinterpreting this
Book?
jt: Depends.. There is certainly a lot of misinterpreting going on.
It
began to come together for me when I started doing my own
homework and quit
looking to great men after the flesh for
answers. Now I don't have
to ignore any or cut any out, I can
have confidence in the whole Bible,
every word and I love the
Hymn 'Wonderful Words of Life' I think it is my
favorite.
One sometimes wonders if there's a more dangerous instrument
in the
hands of a believer than the Bible. I mean dangerous (bad)
not dangerous
(good). Scripture + Spirit-filled believer = this site,
all churches, all
traditions.
jt: I'd say Scripture + Carnal believer + Psychology + Mens
Theology +
Doctrines of devils which encompass most of the
other as well.
What we always have is an admixture of truth & error. Non is
excluded from this reality. May I see the names of those who
believe
themselves to be noteworthy exceptions to the foregoing.
Lance
jt: Moot point, since noone is there yet; even the apostle Paul
toward
the end of his ministry said "he had not yet attained" and he
wrote
most of the NT. But we forget what is behind and press on
looking
to Jesus the author and perfector of our faith Note: Faith that
comes
by hearing and hearing by the Word of God which is found in
this
Bible. judyt
From: Kevin Deegan
"Let God be true and EVERY Man a LIAR"
The Holy
Bible
Judy Taylor <
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wrote:
Bill, shouldn't you be letting God be God in the lives of
people?
Last I read it was the Holy Spirit who convicts of sin.
From: "Wm. Taylor" <
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When do
unrepentant sinners ever request counseling?
They would be unrepentant
sinners if they were seeking counsel.
From: Judy Taylor
Kevin isn't the
one who dragged this out of the woodpile - it
was one of 'in your words'
your paranoid friends Bill trying to
counsel where counselling had not
been requested. jt
From: "Wm. Taylor" <
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Kevin, maybe
sometimes its better to stay out of other people's business,
especially if
all you are doing in it is making matters worse. Even the paranoid
(like
me, and John, and Izzy, and DaveH, and Blaine, and Lance, and DavidM,
and
whoever else you don't like) can have some true enemies. Bill Taylor
From:
Kevin Deegan
Well I guess Jesus should rewrite Mark 16
Todays 21 first century version:
Go ye into all the world and preach
the gospel to those that want to hear it
This is a public list and you are choosing to be here
Why do you communicate with Izzy? Do you actually think you are
accomplishing some good addressing your thoughts to someone who is not
listening to you? I don't mind the discussion with you, but
Izzy does. the scriptures teach that we are not to "seek our
own." Love does not seek its own way or will. Izzy
does have a delete button. And you have instruction from God on
how to show respect to others. Why not practice what you preach
instead of insisting on your "rights" as a member of a public
list.
John
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