Here are your texts for today: Luke 23.27; "there
were following him a great multitude of the people" does not necessarily mean
they were all His disciples.
It also doesn't mean
that they weren't. You certainly wouldn't have people weeping for someone they
want to see dead.
John 19.13 (the Stone Pavement can hold 45 people comfortably, 200 people
if they're cramped); The judgment seat at the place called
the pavement is where Pilate tried to exonerate Him and the crowd cried
"crucify Him, crucify Him" So there was no loyalty to Him there.
It's easy to filter a
crowd and only allow 45 to 200 people supporters if you have an agenda. Also,
the passages seems to indicate that coercion was occurring in the crowd by the
leaders of the Sadducees.
Acts 2.41, 6.7, 15.5. (myriads who are zealous) Yes
3,000 souls were added by Peter's sermon and after Pentecost when His
disciples received power from on high the number of disciples increased but
this is after the crucifixion.
Thank you for agreeing
that there was not a national rejection.
jt: The scriptures teach that He was "rejected by His
own" and "wounded in the house of his friends" Romans Chapter 11
addresses Israel's rejection ATST stating that it was not total and will not
be final.
I answered this above.
However there's a bit more. Why is that any different than Gentile rejection?
For some reason, non-Jews see individual Jewish rejection as so much
greater a crime. Perhaps it is since their forefathers were given the oracles
of God and should have known better, but there is a partial veil given as well
-- a veil fertilized by Non-Jewish persecution of the Jewish
people. It's really hard for the average Jewish person to
accept a Messiah whose followers have killed and trampled the Jewish
people for nearly 1,700 years. If I
can understand the difficulty, surely God understands and loves them in spite
of the difficulty. If I can understand why a Jewish man can be angry at God
for allowing the Holocaust.. God understands as well.
(cf. Genesis 18:32) Sodom and
Gomorrah were still destroyed, it was just delayed; this is an example of
Abraham's intercession and what it means to be a friend of God. I don't see
how it ties in to Israel's rejection of Christ as their Messiah. As a
Nation they are still looking and they are still saying to each other: "Next
year in Jerusalem"
You completely missed
the point of the passage. Ten righteous men DID NOT EXIST IN SODOM
-- that's why it was destroyed.
I've read that Matthew is the one gospel that
was written primarily for a Jewish audience. A good example of how the
Holy Spirit communicates is that of Peter's sermon in Acts 2. People
were in Jerusalem from all over Europe and Asia to celebrate the Passover and
when Peter spoke they all heard him and understood in whatever language they
spoke. I don't believe this was a one time phenomenon. One does not have
to be Jewish or Greek to have understanding that comes from God by way of the
Holy Spirit.
The
were in Jerusalem to celebrate Shavuot (Pentecost). The only ones in the House
(the Temple) were Jewish people, Israelis, and proselytes. The different
languages spoken here are the languages of the lands of the Diaspora. You're
right that understanding comes from the Holy Spirit, but not exclusive of
study, hard work, and sitting at the feet of Godly and learned men and
women as some would teach. 1 Peter 3.15 (seen in action in Acts 18:22 ff,
Acts 8:34-35); Philippians 1:7; Acts 6:8-10; Isaiah 1:18; Jude 3; Titus
1:9.
I
think Matthew was written for a more Gentile audience because of
Matthew's parenthetical breaks that are used to explain standard Jewish
life in the Second Commonwealth. This would be common knowledge for a Jewish
audience.
None other than the fact that the Levitical system of
offerings was more than 400 years into the future and there is no record of
any other offering but that of sin. When A&E sinned God killed an
animal because without the shedding of blood there is no remission. It's
the pagan gods to take offerings of fruit and vegetables.
You
are working in the assumption that your translation accurately represents the
Hebrew text, and I showed that it does not. Cain did not offer fruits and
vegetables. It was not a pagan thing. Another thing to consider... what other
god do you think Cain was offering sacrifices to? He's the first progeny of
humanity!
.....My belief is that the blessings and
curses of Deuteronomy which would be considered part of God's Commandments and
Statutes still stand but that the Levitical Law was nailed to the Cross.
Romans 10:4 tells us that Christ is the end of the law... (ATST we are still
responsible to fulfill the "Royal Law" in Him).
Yeshua said, "Do
not suppose that I came to throw down the law (Torah) or the
prophets (the rest of the Old Testament)--I did not come to throw
down, but to fill it full; for,
verily I say to you, till that the heaven and the earth may pass away, one
iota or one tittle may not pass away from the law, till that all may come to
pass. Whoever therefore may loose one of these commands--the least--and may
teach men so, least he shall be called in the reign of the heavens, but
whoever may do and may teach them, he shall be called great in the reign of
the heavens." It's my understanding that this includes each and every
commandment in the Bible. Therefore, whenever I am told NOT TO KEEP this or
that commandment and I'm given a New Testament passage to "prove" the point, I
look closely at the context of the whole passage, chapter, or book and
determine exactly what's going on. I study hard in order to make nothing of
God's Word void and of non-effect.
For instance,
Galatians seem to indicate that circumcision is superceded by baptism,
internal circumcision, or circumcision of the heart (depending on who
is speaking). However, Galatians is written after the Jerusalem council
of Acts 15 and is specifically addressed to those who "seek to be
justified by the Law." For those who believe that salvation is not complete
until circumcision is administered, the circumcision avails your NOTHING.
However, that does not mean that circumcision itself, if done orderly and
lawfully, is nothing. It is still a sign of the covenant of God's people. Is
that not something God's people should want? A sign of that covenant carved
into our skin? I'm reminded of God's covenant every time I relieve myself.
It's a wonderful, beautiful thing. Had I been circumcised to complete
salvation, it would actually be "uncircumcision." It would be
"works-based salvation."
And when they heard
it, they glorified God. And they said to him, "You see, brother, how many
thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed; they are all
zealous for the law...?" (Acts
21:20)
Thank you, Judy, for this conversation... Even when
we disagree.
--
slade
