Judy,
Your posts today
remind me of a raccoon that has been backed into a corner and knows only
to fight back. You are not above reproach or rebuke on this
forum. Each time someone rebukes you, you bring out your tired old
line “you don’t know me…”. Blah blah blah. I know what you
have written and will comment on it. You are responsible for what
you write on the forum. This must be a stretching experience for you
to realize that what you say matters and that you won’t get away with
it. I must ask you to read your own post again, this time without
the blinders. You quote your esteemed teacher Wright and his ideas
on leukemia. Let me quote: “There is a pastor I know of in Georgia who
ministers in the light of this wisdom and many are healed from what is
considered incurable chronic disease. He has written a book called
"The More Excellent Way" and in his experience leukemia is tied to
"deep rooted bitterness coming from unresolved rejection by a father quote
"I have always found a breach between the person who has that disease and
their father. I've never found a mother involved in the breach;
abandonment by a father, literally or emotionally, is also
implicated" Our son-in-law is a good father, but he came out
of a shocking situation although he is an Annapolis graduate and a high
achiever in everything he puts his hand to. The chickens have a
way of coming home to roost. If we, as a family, can accept the
truth and deal with it, there will be healing of all breaches and
perfect peace in the Lord.” Now connect the dots. Leukemia
is tied to “deep rooted bitterness coming from unresolved rejection by a
father.” “I have always found a breach between the person who has
that disease (Jenna) and their father (your son-in-law).”(brackets mine –
they are there to help you understand what you wrote) Therefore if
you agree with Henry Wright’s opinion (and you must or why else would you
mention it and then connect it to your son-in-law in the very next
sentence?) Jenna must have deep rooted bitterness, and you son-in-law must
have contributed to a breach between himself and Jenna. Are you so
blind that you cannot see what you have written? You then go on to
talk about your son-in-law and how “the chickens have a way of coming home
to roost.” You then mention how your family needs to work out its
issues (“accept the truth and deal with it” are you exact words). It
is your connection between what Wright says and what Jenna has here, not
mine. It is your connection between what Wright says about your
son-in-law here, not mine. Own up to what you post. Hiding
behind your pleas that I listen to the devil will not help ya
here.
Regarding the ad hominem card you
played. Ad hominem arguments try to discredit a claim or proposal by
attacking its proponents instead of providing a reasoned examination of
the proposal itself. Hmmm, I attacked your viewpoint on this issue,
not you. That your viewpoint sickens me I have left no doubt.
I have provided a reasoned examination of my viewpoint, plus many
resources for you to consider. You in turn have not made a reasoned
examination at all. Instead you attack where people who wrote an
article went to school. You do an email of the Henry Wright review I
posted that did not attempt to argue even ONE point. It only says
(i.e. what your review says to me), this review is horrible; this man
accuses my idol and I can’t take it. I have no arguments against it,
I don’t know how to use scripture as the reviewer did to make my point; I
guess I better just put this guy down (call him a dispensationalist, ask
God to forgive him etc.). It is exactly what you do whenever you
encounter critique on this forum. You accuse those that disagree
with you as listening to Satan, spindoctors, etc. It is almost
laughable if it were not so pathetic.
What sickens me
most is that only Lance has had the guts to stand up against this aberrant
teaching (actually Terry did come forth and say that you may not always be
right in your interpretation here – you blasted him with your, “I didn’t
say it, God did” line that is so tiresome). This is a 4 year old
girl with leukemia and we are blaming her and her father for it and we
think we have scripture to back this up? Shame on the rest of the
group.
Jonathan
"The days are coming,"
declares the LORD, "when I will plant the house of Israel and the house of
Judah with the offspring of men and of animals. Just as I watched over
them to uproot and tear down, and to overthrow, destroy and bring
disaster, so I will watch over them to build and to plant," declares the
LORD. "In those days people will no longer say, 'The fathers have eaten
sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge.' Instead, everyone
will die for his own sin; whoever eats sour grapes--his own teeth will be
set on edge. "The time is coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a
new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah." Jer
31:27-30
It was
established in the Law that children would not be punished for the sins of
their father (Deuteronomy
24:16, comp. II Kings
14:6). The idea of generational sin does not come from a
scriptural foundation, but from world viewpoint. Colossians 2:8 describes the process
by which the world develops wrong ideas with these three terms: philosophy
(a wrong idea that has no basis in truth), vain deceit (false reasoning to
support the idea) and traditions of men (wide acceptance of the wrong idea
and false reasoning to support it). This process has only one
purpose: to take away personal responsibility, create bondage to sin and
deceive people regarding the nature of God.
This same false line
of reasoning has been spiritualized and there are those who would twist
the scriptures to try to promote the idea of generational sins or
curses. "My sin is not really my fault, it is the result of a curse
put on me because of my father’s sin, there’s nothing I can do about it,
I’m not responsible." But, there’s nothing new under the sun.
Israel in Ezekiel’s day had accepted the same world viewpoint, which
prompted God to deal with it in Ezekiel
18. When you read it, pay particular attention to verses
1-4, 20-24 and 30-32.
Ezekiel 18:1-4 (NIV) The word of the
Lord came to me: "What do you people mean by quoting this proverb about
the land of Israel: 'The fathers eat sour grapes, and the children's teeth
are set on edge'? As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, you
will no longer quote this proverb in Israel. For every living soul belongs
to me, the father as well as the son--both alike belong to me. The soul
who sins is the one who will die."
Ezekiel 18:14-16,18-20 (NIV) "But
suppose this son has a son who sees all the sins his father commits, and
though he sees them, he does not do such things: He does not eat at the
mountain shrines or look to the idols of the house of Israel... He does
not oppress anyone... He does not commit robbery, but gives his food to
the hungry and provides clothing for the naked... He will not die for his
father's sin; he will surely live. But his father will die for his own
sin, because he practiced extortion, robbed his brother and did what was
wrong among his people. Yet you ask, 'Why does the son not share the guilt
of his father?' Since the son has done what is just and right and has been
careful to keep all my decrees, he will surely live. The soul who sins is
the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor
will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the
righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked
will be charged against him."
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Subject: [TruthTalk] Exegetical
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Your analysis below is an ad
hominem attack; you don't know me nor do you understand a thing I have
said in the right context so how are you qualified to evaluate the
condition of my heart before God? Read my post again and show me
where I said Jenna (or our son-in-law) had "deep rooted" bitterness.
You need to stop listening to the accuser and pray about some of
these things before shooting from the hip.
What disgusts me
is your post below. To even imply or insinuate that the leukemia of
this poor little girl is a result of some sin in your son-in-law is
absolutely baseless. You might as well put a bullet through his
head. Don’t you think he is going through enough right now?
Don’t you know that he would give his very life to heal his
daughter? How blind can you be to the horrors of your
teaching? A 4 year old child has deep rooted bitterness? I
thought that “Jenna is a sweet and loving child who ppl are
drawn to because of her personality.” You are
sick. I accept that my posts may not be the vehicle God will use to
help you to see your errors. You have never accepted rebuke from
anyone on TT; your heart is hard. Regardless of your wacked
theology, God in His mercy will never leave you or forsake you. May
He soften your heart and allow you to see His truth. May He help me
love you, to submit my anger at your teachings to Him. And most
importantly, may He shower Jenna with all the blessings in Christ
Jesus.
