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Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
Exegetical Fallacies and Generational Sin
Judy,
Your posts today remind me of a raccoon that
has been backed into a corner and knows only to fight back. You are not
above reproach or rebuke on this forum. Each time someone rebukes you,
you bring out your tired old line “you don’t know
me…”. Blah blah blah. I know what you have written and will
comment on it. You are responsible for what you write on the forum.
This must be a stretching experience for you to realize that what you say
matters and that you won’t get away with it. I must ask you to read
your own post again, this time without the blinders. You quote your
esteemed teacher Wright and his ideas on leukemia. Let me quote: “There is a pastor I know of in
Georgia who ministers in the light of this wisdom and many are healed from what
is considered incurable chronic disease. He has written a book called
"The More Excellent Way" and in his experience leukemia is tied
to "deep rooted bitterness coming from unresolved rejection by a father
quote "I have always found a breach between the person who has that disease
and their father. I've never found a mother involved in the breach; abandonment
by a father, literally or emotionally, is also implicated" Our
son-in-law is a good father, but he came out of a shocking situation
although he is an Annapolis graduate and a high achiever in everything
he puts his hand to. The chickens have a way of coming home to
roost. If we, as a family, can accept the truth and deal with it, there
will be healing of all breaches and perfect peace in the
Lord.” Now
connect the dots. Leukemia is tied to “deep rooted bitterness
coming from unresolved rejection by a father.” “I have always
found a breach between the person who has that disease (Jenna) and their father
(your son-in-law).”(brackets mine – they are there to help you
understand what you wrote) Therefore if you agree with Henry
Wright’s opinion (and you must or why else would you mention it and then
connect it to your son-in-law in the very next sentence?) Jenna must have deep
rooted bitterness, and you son-in-law must have contributed to a breach between
himself and Jenna. Are you so blind that you cannot see what you have
written? You then go on to talk about your son-in-law and how “the
chickens have a way of coming home to roost.” You then mention how
your family needs to work out its issues (“accept the truth and deal with
it” are you exact words). It is your connection between what Wright
says and what Jenna has here, not mine. It is your connection between
what Wright says about your son-in-law here, not mine. Own up to what you
post. Hiding behind your pleas that I listen to the devil will not help
ya here.
Regarding the ad hominem card you
played. Ad hominem arguments try to discredit a claim or proposal by
attacking its proponents instead of providing a reasoned examination of the
proposal itself. Hmmm, I attacked your viewpoint on this issue, not
you. That your viewpoint sickens me I have left no doubt. I have
provided a reasoned examination of my viewpoint, plus many resources for you to
consider. You in turn have not made a reasoned examination at all.
Instead you attack where people who wrote an article went to school. You
do an email of the Henry Wright review I posted that did not attempt to argue
even ONE point. It only says (i.e. what your review says to me), this review
is horrible; this man accuses my idol and I can’t take it. I have
no arguments against it, I don’t know how to use scripture as the
reviewer did to make my point; I guess I better just put this guy down (call
him a dispensationalist, ask God to forgive him etc.). It is exactly what
you do whenever you encounter critique on this forum. You accuse those
that disagree with you as listening to Satan, spindoctors, etc. It is
almost laughable if it were not so pathetic.
What sickens me most is that only Lance
has had the guts to stand up against this aberrant teaching (actually Terry did
come forth and say that you may not always be right in your interpretation here
– you blasted him with your, “I didn’t say it, God did”
line that is so tiresome). This is a 4 year old girl with leukemia and we
are blaming her and her father for it and we think we have scripture to back
this up? Shame on the rest of the group.
Jonathan
"The days are coming," declares the LORD,
"when I will plant the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the offspring of men and of animals. Just as I watched over them to uproot and
tear down, and to overthrow, destroy and bring disaster, so I will watch over
them to build and to plant," declares the LORD. "In those days people
will no longer say, 'The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's
teeth are set on edge.' Instead, everyone will die for his own sin; whoever
eats sour grapes--his own teeth will be set on edge. "The time is
coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the
house of Israel and with the house of Judah." Jer 31:27-30
It was
established in the Law that children would not be punished for the sins of
their father (Deuteronomy 24:16, comp.
II Kings 14:6). The idea of
generational sin does not come from a scriptural foundation, but from world
viewpoint. Colossians 2:8
describes the process by which the world develops wrong ideas with these three
terms: philosophy (a wrong idea that has no basis in truth), vain deceit (false
reasoning to support the idea) and traditions of men (wide acceptance of the
wrong idea and false reasoning to support it). This process has only one
purpose: to take away personal responsibility, create bondage to sin and
deceive people regarding the nature of God.
This same false line of reasoning has been
spiritualized and there are those who would twist the scriptures to try to
promote the idea of generational sins or curses. "My sin is not
really my fault, it is the result of a curse put on me because of my
father’s sin, there’s nothing I can do about it, I’m not
responsible." But, there’s nothing new under the sun. Israel in Ezekiel’s day had accepted the same world viewpoint, which prompted God to
deal with it in Ezekiel 18. When
you read it, pay particular attention to verses 1-4, 20-24 and 30-32.
Ezekiel 18:1-4 (NIV) The word of the Lord
came to me: "What do you people mean by quoting this proverb about the land of Israel: 'The fathers eat sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge'? As
surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, you will no longer quote this
proverb in Israel. For every living soul belongs to me, the father as well as
the son--both alike belong to me. The soul who sins is the one who will
die."
Ezekiel 18:14-16,18-20 (NIV) "But
suppose this son has a son who sees all the sins his father commits, and though
he sees them, he does not do such things: He does not eat at the mountain
shrines or look to the idols of the house of Israel... He does not oppress
anyone... He does not commit robbery, but gives his food to the hungry and
provides clothing for the naked... He will not die for his father's sin; he
will surely live. But his father will die for his own sin, because he practiced
extortion, robbed his brother and did what was wrong among his people. Yet you
ask, 'Why does the son not share the guilt of his father?' Since the son has
done what is just and right and has been careful to keep all my decrees, he
will surely live. The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not
share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son.
The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him."
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Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 11:44
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Subject: [TruthTalk] Exegetical
Fallacies and Generational Sin
Your analysis below is an ad hominem
attack; you don't know me nor do you understand a thing I have said in the
right context so how are you qualified to evaluate the condition of my
heart before God? Read my post again and show me where I said Jenna (or
our son-in-law) had "deep rooted" bitterness. You need
to stop listening to the accuser and pray about some of these things
before shooting from the hip.
What disgusts me is your post below.
To even imply or insinuate that the leukemia of this poor little girl is a
result of some sin in your son-in-law is absolutely baseless. You might
as well put a bullet through his head. Don’t you think he is going
through enough right now? Don’t you know that he would give his
very life to heal his daughter? How blind can you be to the horrors of
your teaching? A 4 year old child has deep rooted bitterness? I
thought that “Jenna is a sweet and loving child who ppl are drawn to because of
her personality.” You are sick. I
accept that my posts may not be the vehicle God will use to help you to see
your errors. You have never accepted rebuke from anyone on TT; your heart
is hard. Regardless of your wacked theology, God in His mercy will never
leave you or forsake you. May He soften your heart and allow you to see
His truth. May He help me love you, to submit my anger at your teachings
to Him. And most importantly, may He shower Jenna with all the blessings
in Christ Jesus.
