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[TruthTalk] Exegetical Fallacies and Generational
Sin
Judy,
Your posts
today remind me of a raccoon that has been backed into a corner and
knows only to fight back. You are not above reproach or rebuke on
this forum. Each time someone rebukes you, you bring out your
tired old line “you don’t know me…”. Blah blah blah. I know
what you have written and will comment on it. You are responsible
for what you write on the forum. This must be a stretching
experience for you to realize that what you say matters and that you
won’t get away with it. I must ask you to read your own post
again, this time without the blinders. You quote your esteemed
teacher Wright and his ideas on leukemia. Let me quote:
“There is
a pastor I know of in Georgia who ministers in the light of this wisdom
and many are healed from what is considered incurable chronic
disease. He has written a book called "The More Excellent Way" and
in his experience leukemia is tied to "deep rooted bitterness
coming from unresolved rejection by a father quote "I have always found
a breach between the person who has that disease and their father. I've
never found a mother involved in the breach; abandonment by a father,
literally or emotionally, is also implicated" Our son-in-law is a
good father, but he came out of a shocking situation although he
is an Annapolis graduate and a high achiever in everything he puts
his hand to. The chickens have a way of coming home to
roost. If we, as a family, can accept the truth and deal with it,
there will be healing of all breaches and perfect peace in the
Lord.” Now connect the dots. Leukemia is tied to
“deep rooted bitterness coming from unresolved rejection by a
father.” “I have always found a breach between the person who has
that disease (Jenna) and their father (your son-in-law).”(brackets mine
– they are there to help you understand what you wrote) Therefore
if you agree with Henry Wright’s opinion (and you must or why else would
you mention it and then connect it to your son-in-law in the very next
sentence?) Jenna must have deep rooted bitterness, and you son-in-law
must have contributed to a breach between himself and Jenna. Are
you so blind that you cannot see what you have written? You then
go on to talk about your son-in-law and how “the chickens have a way of
coming home to roost.” You then mention how your family needs to
work out its issues (“accept the truth and deal with it” are you exact
words). It is your connection between what Wright says and what
Jenna has here, not mine. It is your connection between what
Wright says about your son-in-law here, not mine. Own up to what
you post. Hiding behind your pleas that I listen to the devil will
not help ya here.
Regarding the ad hominem card you
played. Ad hominem arguments try to discredit a claim or proposal
by attacking its proponents instead of providing a reasoned examination
of the proposal itself. Hmmm, I attacked your viewpoint on this
issue, not you. That your viewpoint sickens me I have left no
doubt. I have provided a reasoned examination of my viewpoint,
plus many resources for you to consider. You in turn have not made
a reasoned examination at all. Instead you attack where people who
wrote an article went to school. You do an email of the Henry
Wright review I posted that did not attempt to argue even ONE
point. It only says (i.e. what your review says to me), this
review is horrible; this man accuses my idol and I can’t take it.
I have no arguments against it, I don’t know how to use scripture as the
reviewer did to make my point; I guess I better just put this guy down
(call him a dispensationalist, ask God to forgive him etc.). It is
exactly what you do whenever you encounter critique on this forum.
You accuse those that disagree with you as listening to Satan,
spindoctors, etc. It is almost laughable if it were not so
pathetic.
What sickens me
most is that only Lance has had the guts to stand up against this
aberrant teaching (actually Terry did come forth and say that you may
not always be right in your interpretation here – you blasted him with
your, “I didn’t say it, God did” line that is so tiresome). This
is a 4 year old girl with leukemia and we are blaming her and her father
for it and we think we have scripture to back this up? Shame on
the rest of the group.
Jonathan
"The days are coming,"
declares the LORD, "when I will plant the house of Israel and the house
of Judah with the offspring of men and of animals. Just as I watched
over them to uproot and tear down, and to overthrow, destroy and bring
disaster, so I will watch over them to build and to plant," declares the
LORD. "In those days people will no longer say, 'The fathers have eaten
sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge.' Instead,
everyone will die for his own sin; whoever eats sour grapes--his own
teeth will be set on edge. "The time is coming," declares the LORD,
"when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the
house of Judah." Jer 31:27-30
It
was established in the Law that children would not be punished for the
sins of their father (Deuteronomy
24:16, comp. II Kings
14:6). The idea of generational sin does not come from
a scriptural foundation, but from world viewpoint. Colossians 2:8 describes the
process by which the world develops wrong ideas with these three terms:
philosophy (a wrong idea that has no basis in truth), vain deceit (false
reasoning to support the idea) and traditions of men (wide acceptance of
the wrong idea and false reasoning to support it). This process
has only one purpose: to take away personal responsibility, create
bondage to sin and deceive people regarding the nature of
God.
This same false
line of reasoning has been spiritualized and there are those who would
twist the scriptures to try to promote the idea of generational sins or
curses. "My sin is not really my fault, it is the result of a
curse put on me because of my father’s sin, there’s nothing I can do
about it, I’m not responsible." But, there’s nothing new under the
sun. Israel in Ezekiel’s day had accepted the same world
viewpoint, which prompted God to deal with it in Ezekiel 18. When you read it, pay
particular attention to verses 1-4, 20-24 and 30-32.
Ezekiel 18:1-4 (NIV) The word of
the Lord came to me: "What do you people mean by quoting this proverb
about the land of Israel: 'The fathers eat sour grapes, and the
children's teeth are set on edge'? As surely as I live, declares the
Sovereign Lord, you will no longer quote this proverb in Israel. For
every living soul belongs to me, the father as well as the son--both
alike belong to me. The soul who sins is the one who will die."
Ezekiel 18:14-16,18-20 (NIV) "But
suppose this son has a son who sees all the sins his father commits, and
though he sees them, he does not do such things: He does not eat at the
mountain shrines or look to the idols of the house of Israel... He does
not oppress anyone... He does not commit robbery, but gives his food to
the hungry and provides clothing for the naked... He will not die for
his father's sin; he will surely live. But his father will die for his
own sin, because he practiced extortion, robbed his brother and did what
was wrong among his people. Yet you ask, 'Why does the son not share the
guilt of his father?' Since the son has done what is just and right and
has been careful to keep all my decrees, he will surely live. The soul
who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of
the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The
righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the
wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him."
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Subject: [TruthTalk] Exegetical
Fallacies and Generational Sin
Your analysis below
is an ad hominem attack; you don't know me nor do you understand a thing
I have said in the right context so how are you qualified to
evaluate the condition of my heart before God? Read my post again
and show me where I said Jenna (or our son-in-law) had "deep rooted"
bitterness. You need to stop listening to the accuser and
pray about some of these things before shooting from the
hip.
What disgusts
me is your post below. To even imply or insinuate that the
leukemia of this poor little girl is a result of some sin in your
son-in-law is absolutely baseless. You might as well put a bullet
through his head. Don’t you think he is going through enough right
now? Don’t you know that he would give his very life to heal his
daughter? How blind can you be to the horrors of your
teaching? A 4 year old child has deep rooted bitterness? I
thought that “Jenna is a sweet and loving child who ppl
are drawn to because of her personality.” You are
sick. I accept that my posts may not be the vehicle God will use
to help you to see your errors. You have never accepted rebuke
from anyone on TT; your heart is hard. Regardless of your wacked
theology, God in His mercy will never leave you or forsake you.
May He soften your heart and allow you to see His truth. May He
help me love you, to submit my anger at your teachings to Him. And
most importantly, may He shower Jenna with all the blessings in Christ
Jesus.