RE: [TruthTalk] Interesting Book

[ShieldsFamily]

Perry, Thanks for the info, which I will have to look into asap.  (I just got back home from taking the 12 and 14 yr olds to see Cats at the Muny Opera--so fun; but I'm so tired!!!)  Anyway, I'm not sure I'm up to determining even what I think of all these new ideas/doctrines.  This one sounds like it's right on or double-mindedness.  (I'm inclined to think the latter.)  To help me figure this out, please really explain to me the difference between the "spirit" and the "soul".  I'm never really clear on that. :-) Izzy   -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 8:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Interesting Book   Izzy, there is a pastor and author named Arlene Chitwood that has written that there are essentially two flavors of salvation...salvation of the spirit, which results from faith and which grants eternal life, and salvation of the soul, which is based on one's works and will determine one's state in the millennium. One of the neat things about this view is that, if true, it totally resolves the grace v. works argument, and thus resolves the debate over James' "faith without works is dead" verses.   However, it does not bode well for those who have based their salvation in faith alone and mainly ignored works, or performed minimal works, for  "Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." [1 Cor 3:13-15]   If salvation is assured by our faith, then what is the loss described here? The salvation by faith alone adherents seem to argue that the loss is merely a loss of rewards that one could have attained, but possibly it is a loss of more than that.   You can read this treatise at http://www.lampbroadcast.org. Click on "PDF Books" on the navbar near the top of the page, then look for the one entitled "Salvation of the Soul". If anyone takes the time to read this I would appreciate your impressions of the work.   Perry   >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [TruthTalk]  Interesting Book >Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 08:04:27 -0500 >  >Lance, >  >I am reading (as much as possible with lots of family here for several >weeks) one of the books you sent me from your Ontario Bookstore, "The Rod, >Will God Spare It?" by JD Faust.  Although I have some major disagreements >with the author's point of view, I am still really enjoying learning what >he >thinks.  I was wondering if you would answer a few questions for me to help >in discussing the book: >1.        Have you read the book? >2.        Do you agree with the author's "once saved, always saved" >philosophy? (Or do you just think that everyone is saved? I'm not sure.) >3.        Do you agree with the author that "the Kingdom" that Jesus referred >to was ONLY the 1,000 year Millennial reign of Christ? >  >One reason I find the book interesting is that, in spite of the author's >"once saved, always saved" beliefs, he literally believes in the obvious >warnings in scripture to those who are Believers that they will be denied >entering into The Kingdom of God.  I take them to mean that you can lose >your salvation if you choose to rebel against the Lord by choosing a >sinful, >disobedient lifestyle.  He (and how many others like him, I wonder?) >resolve >this dilemma that their doctrine obviously raises by believing that Yes, >there will be Judgment for Believers, but NO it won't be eternal damnation. >He claims that the words "damnation", etc, just mean severe but temporary >judgment (like a Protestant version of RCC purgatory), and a denial of >entering in to the 1,000 year Sabbath Millennial reign of Jesus.  He claims >that "carnal" Believers (perhaps like Jonathan's view of Bill Clinton?) do >not go to an eternity separated from God, but instead suffer such >"temporary" judgment. I didn't know such a view existed. >  >Granted, I've only gotten to page 90 (mostly in moments around midnight, >before my peepers collapse) out of 400+ pages, but that's the drift I see >so >far.  So maybe you have read it and can correct me?  I was just hoping to >get your take on it.  Thanks for recommending it, >  >Izzy >  >  >      ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org   If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.