RE: [TruthTalk] Hyperbole (slade)

[Slade Henson]

jt: I'm not suggesting it but the apostle Paul did say in Romans 11:17 that some of the branches were broken off; and while they were under the Law God through the prophets complained continually about them breaking his Covenant with them which was through the Law of Moses.    SOME branches were broken off. I have no argument. Historically, the belief is that all of Israel has been cut off and thus needs to be grafted into the Church.   jt: Yes, I believe it is "fruits meet for repentance" or fruit that shows there has been repentance which is further expounded upon in 2 Cor 7:11. In Vs.10 we learn that "godly sorrow works repentance to salvation not to be repented of; but the sorrow of the world works death and I don't believe this death is 'metaphorical' - do you?    I'm not getting drawn into the metaphoric death argument.   Repentance (teshuvah)  means a turning about and doing/traveling the opposite way. You cannot "do" sorrow -- sorrow is essence, not action. Teshuvah requires action. I know you know this already.   jt: "Blood libel?" I am not holding the Israel of today responsible for Matt 27:25 but you can not deny that this happened and that this is why Pilate at the end did not pardon Jesus, he wanted to but  Barabbas was the one they called for and that thief is the one they received back into their community in Jerusalem (where all of this took place).  Jesus asked God to forgive them (as the son of man for an example to us), also so that He would continue to be a sinless sacrifice when he went to the cross. The resurrection may not have happened had he gone to the cross holding them to their sin in judgment which was not what He came to do. He turned all judgment over to the one who judges righteously (see 1 Peter 2:23) which is also an example we are to follow.  Jesus did not bind these people to their sin by his own unforgiveness and we should not do that to others either.  However, this does not relieve them of responsibility because the righteous judgment of God says that every man will be judged according to what he has done; and this is what is further explained in Ezekiel 18.    I'm sorry, but you still believe in the blood libel. You blame the words and actions of a mob on the whole of a nation. I have no qualms putting the blame on the mob and the Sadducean leaders who incited them. I have a problem blaming the whole nation.   Grace and Peace - judy   And to you. -- slade