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Greetings in the Matchless Name of YahShua !
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Sent: 07/20/2004 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] America in the
Bible
Chris, Chris, Chris:That dog won't hunt! Russia
ain't in the Bible either. If you want to 'play' with Scripture then, enjoy
yourself.
Lance: Just one of me here ... though id'd
as Christ by the leading TT trinitarian I am still only one even as The Almighty
is only one. As to Scripture ... well ... I work hard at it but I also
LOVE my work AND have fun with it! As to your observation of my
observation ... there is none so blind as those that will not to
see.
Ahava b'
YahShua
(Love in The
SAVIOUR)
Baruch
YHVH,
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Sent: July 20, 2004 10:00
Subject: [TruthTalk] America in the
Bible
\o/ !HALALU Yah! \o/
Greetings in the Matchless Name of YahShua !
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 07/20/2004 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Gay Marriage
Roll Call Vote
There are no references to America in the
Bible.
Hmmm ...
EZEKIEL 38 speaks first of all of the Russian Bear. It also speaks of
others in alliance with the Russian Bear.
Verse 8 shows the context
of time, "After many days ... in the latter years". This speaks of a future
time from that of Ezekiel that has yet to be fulfilled. Are these times "the
latter years"? Does this speak of OUR TIME?
Verse 8 also shows the
Russian Bear with its alliances coming to a particular land. This land is
"brought back from the sword". This land is "gathered out of many people".
This land is identified as "the mountains of Israel which have been ALWAYS
waste but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell
safely all of them".
Is this land of Israel the same as that of
Palestine?
In verse 9 YahVeh speaks to/of the Russian Bear with its
alliances, "Thou shalt ASCEND and come like a storm". It does not say
DESCEND as south into Israel in Palestine. Scripture says ASCEND as in north
to ??????
Verse 9 says to/of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "... thou
shalt be like a cloud to cover the land" as in an aerial transport of an
overwhelming army, or perhaps a hail of missiles, or possibly even a literal
"mushroom cloud"!
Verse 9 says to/of the Russian Bear with its
alliances, "... thou, and all thy bands, and many people with
thee".
Is there another "Israel" than that land commonly identified
as Israel that is also a most hated and despised nation?
Is verse 11 an even clearer continuation that Ezekiel 38 could NOT be
about Israel in the land of Palestine?
Verse 11 says to/of the
Russian Bear with its alliances, "... thou shalt say, 'I will GO UP' ..." as
in north. It does not say GO DOWN to Israel as in Palestine.
Verse
11 reveals the thoughts of the Russian Bear, "... to the land of unwalled
villages ...". The land of Israel in Palestine today is a land of VILLAGES
that are WALLED.
Verse 11 reveals further the thoughts of the
Russian Bear, "... I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely,
all of them dwelling without walls ...". The land of Israel in Palestine
today is a land of VILLAGES that are on constant and heightened alert and
that do NOT "dwell safely", neither can it be said of those that dwell in
Palestine that they are "of them dwelling without walls ..."!
Verse
12 reveals the purpose and desire of the Russian Bear with its alliances,
"To take a spoil". Once again, take note of Israel in Palestine today, its
land and the condition thereof. What "spoil" would be taken from there?
Verse 12 reveals yet again the identity of where the attack is to be
upon, "... to turn thine hand UPON THE DESOLATE PLACES ..." - - at the
time that Ezekiel is writing - - "... that are now inhabited ..." - - as to
the future date according to the earlier portion Ezekiel wrote in this
chapter of "the latter days".
Verse 12 further reveals the purpose and desire of the Russian Bear, "...
to have gotten CATTLE and GOODS that DWELL IN THE MIDST OF THE LAND". Does
this apply to Israel in the land of Israel in Palestine?
Has Ezekiel 38 been generally misinterpreted? Review again this
chapter beginning with verse 9 as noted above.
In verse 9 YahVeh speaks to/of the Russian Bear with its
alliances, "Thou shalt ASCEND and come like a storm". It does not say
DESCEND as south into Israel in Palestine. Scripture says ASCEND as in north
... over the polar ice cap with its SHORTER and more PROTECTED from radar
route to America as Israel EXTENDED!
Verse 9 says to/of the Russian
Bear with its alliances, "... thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land"
as in an aerial transport of an overwhelming army, or perhaps a hail of
missiles ... or possibly even a literal "mushroom cloud"!
Verse 9
says to/of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "... thou, and all thy
bands, and many people with thee".
America as Israel EXTENDED is a
most hated and despised nation. She is taken advantage of, not truly loved,
nor is she respected. Many (?most?) will join with the Russian Bear against
America as Israel EXTENDED.
Is verse 11 an even clearer continuation
that Ezekiel 38 is about America as Israel EXTENDED?
Verse 11 says
to/of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "... thou shalt say, 'I will GO
UP' ..." as in north over the polar ice cap with its SHORTER and more
PROTECTED from radar route to America as Israel EXTENDED! It does not say GO
DOWN as in south to Israel as in Palestine.
Verse 11 reveals the
thoughts of the Russian Bear, "... to the land of unwalled villages ...".
Does this not more definitively speak to America as Israel EXTENDED?!? It
CANNOT refer to Israel in Palestine since VILLAGES there are WALLED.
Verse 11 reveals further the thoughts of the Russian Bear, "... I
will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling
without walls ...". Does this not more definitively speak again to AMERICA
as Israel EXTENDED?!? Once again, it CANNOT refer to Israel in Palestine as
VILLAGES there are on constant and heightened alert, do NOT "dwell safely",
neither can it be said of those that dwell in Palestine that they are "of
them dwelling without walls ..."!
Verse 12 reveals the purpose and
desire of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "To take a spoil". Does this
not more definitively speak yet again to America as Israel EXTENDED! Once
again, it CANNOT refer to Israel in Palestine. There is no "spoil" to be
profited from there.
Verse 12 reveals yet once again the identity of
where the attack is to be upon, "... to turn thine hand UPON THE DESOLATE
PLACES ..." - - at the time that Ezekiel is writing - - "... that are now
inhabited ..." - - as to the future date according to the earlier portion
Ezekiel wrote in this chapter of "the latter days". Does this not more
definitively speak yet once again to America as Israel EXTENDED mixed with
"... the people that are gathered out of the nations ..."!
Verse 12
further reveals the purpose and desire of the Russian Bear, "... to have
gotten CATTLE and GOODS that DWELL IN THE MIDST OF THE LAND". The Russian
Bear covets (and has ALWAYS coveted) the "CATTLE and GOODS that DWELL IN THE
MIDST OF" **America**. Does not this Scripture address the geographical area
of the Russian Bear as the instrument of judgment of YahVeh against
the sin centers of America as Israel EXTENDED on our COASTS - -
HOLLYWOOD/LOS ANGELES, SEATTLE, NEW YORK CITY, ATLANTA, FLORIDA. Is this not
prophecy of the Russian Bear with its alliances seeking to save, to spoil,
and to plunder the internal portion of this nation?
SELAH.
America was founded upon REVOLUTION - - "brought back
from the sword".
America is KNOWN throughout the world as a "melting
pot" - - "gathered out of many people".
America possesses much
higher points than Palestine, and is the greatest strength for the
nation-state of Israel in Palestine - - "the mountains of Israel".
America was a wasteland at the time that Ezekiel wrote. It was a
land with a rich potential, although it was a waste due to its lack of
development to that time - - "which have been ALWAYS waste". This CANNOT
refer to the land of Palestine for it had not been ALWAYS waste, having been
previously profitable prior to captivity.
America would be brought
forth from having "been ALWAYS waste" when it would be "brought forth out of
the nations" in mixture with Israel since Israel was insistent upon mixing
with the nations throughout its history.
If you DO NOT KNOW of the
history of ISRAEL after their CAPTIVITY and DISPERSION then you will not
know WHO, WHAT, and WHERE is ISRAEL. Your readings of prophecy will
subsequently be skewed.
I think the Exegeses Bible gives the MOST
ACCURATE TRANSLATION OF VERSES 11 AND 12:
AND YOU SAY, "I ASCEND TO
THE LAND OF SUBURBS; I GO TO THEM WHO REST -- WHO SETTLE CONFIDENTLY; ALL OF
THEM SETTLING WITHOUT WALLS AND HAVING NEITHER BARS NOR DOORS; TO SPOIL A
SPOIL AND TO PLUNDER A PLUNDER" -- TO TURN YOUR HAND ON THE PARCHED AREAS
NOW INHABITED, AND ON THE PEOPLE GATHERED FROM THE GOYIM, WHO WORK CHATTEL
AND WHO CHATTEL -- WHO SETTLE ON THE SUMMIT OF THE LAND.
AMERICA as
Israel EXTENDED would eventually "dwell safely" more than 2 millennia after
this prophecy was given, or as the Exegeses Bible renders it (perhaps more
accurately) "and they shall SETTLE CONFIDENTLY all of them".
SELAH.
Ahava b' YahShua
(Love in The
SAVIOUR)
Baruch YHVH,
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