----- Original Message -----
Sent: August 16, 2004 13:53
Subject: [TruthTalk] Christians'
authority over nature
I've probably said it before but here goes again :) - This may be
a way of looking at it Lance, but it is not God's wisdom on the subject.
I've never heard of a ministry gift/calling of "theologian/Commentator" these
are not listed in the Ephesians 4:11 ministry gifts. The ministry
gifting of teacher is of one who understands and teaches God's law so as
to reveal Christ and people who sow God's Truth are to live from the gospel,
none of which is true for John, Linda, or myself. I don't know for sure
about the others you list. Believers sharing God's Truth with each
other is what we do here.... TFT makes his living doing what he
does. jt.
Jt: I'm aware that what I'm about to say is
just one more go 'round but,...........
1. When quoting Scripture without accompanying
commentary you let the Bible speak for itself. Further, you assume that other
believers will interpret the passage(s) as you do. We both know that that
happens often but not always.
2. When commenting on Scripture
(extrapolating) you (Judy) are doing the same thing as TFT, Kruger, John,
Linda, Lance, Bill, Jonathan, David, etc. You, Judy, are acting as a teacher, theologian and
commentator.
Thanks, Lance
Jt:'the fall was not
theological, it was spiritual and so was our redemption in
Christ'???????
1. How are you using the word
'theological'?
jt: Same as American
Heritage Dictionary ie: A system or school of opinions concerning God and
religious questions.
2. Same for 'spiritual'
jt: God is Spirit, His Words
are Spirit and they are Truth. I see a very clear difference between
His Word (what He says about Himself) and the words or opinions of men
concerning His person.
3. 'your vision may be clouded by at least a
little TFT' Please clarify.
jt: Recently you suggested
reading "Divine and Contingent Order" of which TFT is author and John
appears to be familiar with this work and others by Kruger etc. I'm aware
that he has been thinking about the "incarnational POV" and IMO this in
itself muddies the waters.
Thanks, Lance
Me again John,
I'm not sure what kind of
problems you see with the teaching of the "fall" as it pertains to human
nature bit I suspect your vision may be clouded by at least a little
TFT. Suffice it to say that the fall was not theological, it was
spiritual and so is our redemption in Christ. The first Adam did not
passively fall. He made a choice which was pro-active. Yes
Jesus became a sacrifice for sin. He paid the price but Covenant benefits
do not fall on us by osmosis because we are born into them or fall into
them. Calvin did Christendom a great disservice. Again the scripture
you are looking for is Genesis 1:26 .... judyt
What is the scriptural argument for this
conclusion? While I am correcting a spelling error, perhaps I should
make my questioning clear. I am beginning to see a lot of problems
with the teaching of the "fall" as it pertains to human nature and God's
plan for the ultimate destiny of man(kind).
And what I need here
is biblical reference as opposed to some kind of progressive theological
statement. John
In a message dated 8/15/2004 11:21:47 AM Pacific Daylight
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michael D: Yes, God
created the universe etc, but one must remember that an alien invaded
the 'universe' and has brought chaos and disorder into the mix. This
alien is our enemy, and we would do well to recognize when he is
operating or trying to operate and resist him. Paul established that
precedent when he mentioned to the Corinthians that he and they
weren't ignorant of his devices, and therefore their actions should be
guided by that fact.
What is the criptural argument for this
conclusion?
