Re: [TruthTalk] Read it and weep!

[Terry Clifton]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/6/2004 4:38:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You lost me my friend.  It is not that you are using lofty phrases, just terms with which I am not familiar. Could you explain subjectivity to provedential in terms a red neck could understand? Terry Lets see  --   A miracle, IMO, is God working outside the laws of nature.  Providence is God working within the natural law .  In the world of Faith,  the existence of God is the Grand Subjective Conclusion.   Hence, His activity appeals more to subjective witness than to the overt and physical.   That is why there are so many fakes and phonies in religion business.   It is unavoidable.  In math, there is something called a "postulate."   Such is a rule without any verifiable formulae.   It is a rule or consideration, necessary to the successful completion of a particular mathmatical assignment, that cannot be proven but is accepted to be true UNTIL OR UNLESS IT IS SHOWN TO BE WRONG.   Understand?   The postulate is fascinating to me, as a believer, because it forces science into the realm of faith and a certain subjective sense.   I mention the "postulate" to argue that there is nothing wrong with admitting that "God" is a subjective conclusion because mankind cannot excape the realm of faith  and the subjective  -- even in his science.   Providence is the order of the day as the blessings of the Roman's 8:28 promise unfolds over the course of our lives.   It is seen throughout the biblical message, along side His miraculous intervention in the story of Joseph (Gen 50:20) and, most importantly, in the life and times of Christ.   Lots of miracles in that wonderful story.   But most accept that He was sent to this world at the right time, to the right people.   Without the Romans, without the hatred of Jewish leadership,  without His gathering of the Apostles and disciple and so on, His story was would a none event  --  God working within the natural system (providence) with signs and wonders........providencial and power.   John Let me see if I have this straight.  God has a plan, and God can complete that plan using what we would term either natural or supernatural means?  Whether or not we understand how it is done, we are forced to admit that it is done, even though we cannot prove it. That about i? Terry