Do you find the word Torah anywhere in your Bible? It's not in my KJV, nor is it in my Strongs Concordance.
Judy, the word "Torah" is the Hebrew word translated as "law" or "laws" more than 200 times in your King James Bible.
The word "Torah" is found in your Strong's Concordance under Strong's number 8451.
If you have the free e-sword Bible program from www.e-sword.net, you can search on Strong's number 8451 and find all the verses where the word Torah is found.
We use the word "Torah" to refer to the law delivered by angels through Moses. This is the first five books of the Bible, also known as the Pentateuch ("penta"=5, "teukhos"=book - Pentateuch literally means, "having 5 books"). Even though Torah is used to talk about the first five books, it is a common Hebrew word meaning law or instruction, and is used also to refer not just to the five books of Moses, but to other writings of the Tanak as well (for example, consider John 10:34, 12:34, 15:25, etc.).
Jonathan wrote:
Jeff was the one who quoted John 1.1 and set up the direct comparison of Jesus = Torah.
Jeff: "In the beginninjg was the WORD,, and the WORD was with God and the WORD was God." The WORD my friend is BOTH Yeshua and TORAH. To obey Messiah completely is to be obedient to the Torah of God! NOW, THAT IS THE BIBLICAL VIEW!!
Jonathan, I think the disagreement here is frustrated by some misunderstanding. It seems to me that Jeff is NOT saying Jesus = Torah. Rather, the perspective is that Torah is a subset of the Word and therefore when you talk about the Word you are talking about both Yeshua and Torah. I hope it is not necessary for me to draw a Venn diagram here to help you understand the set theory being expressed.
The reason we can't substitute Torah for Logos in John 1:1 is because Torah is the subset. Just because we should not do that substitution does not mean that Torah is not included in the concept of Logos.
Logos is a broad word, meaning word or message, but also meaning reasoning, motive, and cause of something. Showing Yeshua to be the Logos made flesh is a powerful statement. It is basically saying that the understanding, reason, and cause of all things is found in a person, the person of Jesus Christ. Therefore, the Torah also finds its existence and origination in Jesus Christ. Torah is not the only thing that originates in Christ, but it is one thing, and I would add that there is nothing in Torah that is not Christ.
Peace be with you. David Miller.
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