Re: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup

[Jeff Powers]

Thanks John and Izzy, much of what I and Slade say is controversial to many on this list. Thats fine, a large portion of what we (dare I say it this way?) preach is counter to what most have ever heard. However, I see in some of you we have sparked an interest in learning the truth. We have a loving and compassionate God. Something I am very thankful for! Yet the truth is often ignored or whitewashed in the church. The church repeatedly teaches that the God of the Older Testament is an angry and vengeful God, bent on rigid rituals and laws. Nothing could be further from the truth. I thank God that minds and hearts are softening to His message. I'm also cognizant of the fact that much of this way of thinking is both strange and new to those that "Have ears to hear and eyes that see." Fully realizing that like Sha'ul and Ya'acov (ok, Paul and James) it is going to take time(Acts 15:21). Each of us in on that path, but we are all at different points in our walk, thats as God intended when He touched the council and directed them not to DEMAND immediate compliance. After all what does that gain? Nothing, until it comes from the heart. And when it does God blesses your socks off! This is not meant to sound like I think I'm smarter or closer to God than some of you, I'm only asking that you do as Sha'ul instructed Timothy, "Study to show yourself approved..." it is meaningless to me if you are approved by men. But it is very meaningful to be approved by God. I'm sorry if this sound offensive, but He doesn't want the warm fuzzies of most churches today. Please continue to study the scriptures found to the left of Matthew, Torah in particular and see what the God of Abraham, Isaac , and Jacob is saying to you. Because it is Yeshua speaking through Moses and the prophets. Obedience to Him is what its all about! Whew! time to get off the soapbox, Jeff   ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 13:48 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Outside of the Cup In a message dated 12/5/2004 8:05:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My friends, simple faith is wonderful, but God has so much more for us when we understand why he says to do this and not do that. We should study and not allow the corrupting of scripture to rob us of the blessings we have been promised. When we think we understand a passage, then its time to get deeper, and see if that is what is really being said. If the "church and christian theologians" all agree I suggest studying the original texts for clues that show us dogmas and omisions to the truth. Hey, throw your questions to this forum, I'm sure we can figure out the meaning and proper response better than some of churchianity's current leading commentators. I've seen it right here! Love ya all for putting up with my experiment, Well, now  --  here is just another great example of why I remain on this forum.  I could not have written this better myself  --  and guess what,   I DIDN'T.   That is why is it rises to such a level of excellence.  I have to say that when we began our debate about the law, I was defending justification by faith apart from works of the Law  --  turns out I was preaching to the choir.   Kind of took me back a little.   THAT was my reason for not even considering the thinking of Henson and Powers  (kind of sounds like a law firm).  Anywho  --  preinted and saved, my friend.  Excellent John  (not "excellent John" but, excellent ! [signed] "John')