What sophistry!!
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: December 13, 2004 13:41 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sabbath > Izzy wrote: > > They were just picking grains off as they walked > > through, much like you would Pick up something > > off a plate of food. They weren't out "gathering". > > It was legalistic nit-picking. > > Pulling grain from the ear is not the same as picking from a plate of food. > It is indeed gathering food, perhaps considered harvesting in one sense of > the word. It seems to me that this situation is more gray or borderline > than you perhaps have acknowledged here. > > One might argue that if they did not put the grain into a basket, or use a > sickle to harvest the grain, then it was not really "work." One problem > with this understanding is that such would mean that the Israelites could > have eaten the manna on the sabbath right off the ground as long as they did > not put it into baskets. It does not appear that even this was allowed, but > perhaps this gray area was never really addressed. Do you think any > Israelites on the morning of sabbath took manna right off the ground and ate > it, or do you think they refrained from touching it at all in light of the > commandment to gather the manna on the day before and not to gather any on > the sabbath? > > I think it interesting that Jesus addressed exceptions to the sabbath law > rather than trying to argue that what his disciples were doing was not work. > For example, he argued that David and his men ate the shewbread which was by > Torah allowed only to the priests. He also argued that priests "break the > Sabbath" all the time and are innocent. In other words, Jesus was arguing > why his disciples were allowed to break sabbath rather than arguing that > they were not breaking sabbath. At the same time, he declares them to be > innocent and not guilty of breaking the Torah. I think the only way to > understand this is to understand that the sabbath command is tempered here > by other considerations of the Torah. In other words, we might say that > they broke the sabbath but not the Torah teaching overall. > > By way of modern analogy, suppose a man had an injury and traveled faster > than the speed limit in order to get to the hospital. Would he be > considered innocent based upon the argument that he did not speed, or would > he be innocent based upon the argument that he had a legitimate right to > speed? Of course, if we define speeding as illegitimately traveling faster > than the speed limit, then the man did not speed even though he traveled > faster than the speed limit. Maybe we are having the same semantic problem > in regards to whether or not Jesus broke the sabbath. > > Peace be with you. > David Miller. > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
