Judas, Jesus, & Scripture. On coming to a summary conclusion? See the Mark 2 passage for an equallyclear summary conclusion: Sabbath, Jesus & Scripture.However, on the latter you 'tweeked Scripture to fit you presuppositions did you not? Abraham, Sarah & Scripture...........Perhaps, David, you should acknowledge the extent to which theology plays a part in your exegesis? The two are inseparably connected and they not? (theology & exegesis...even theology & eisegesis)
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: December 14, 2004 17:20 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Intentional sin -- the Judas factor > Jonathan wrote: > > Ahh the typical Izzy can attack anyone else's > > character but she is given free reign? > > No, Izzy should not attack anyone's character. No ad hominem arguments > allowed for anyone. > > Jonathan wrote: > > I have made it clear many times I am sick of > > her maligning liberals (both politicians and > > theologians) in nearly every one of her posts. > > Don't get so emotional. She can express her disdain for liberals, but she > should not attack the character or another TruthTalk member. > > Jonathan wrote: > > There is never any substance behind her attacks. > > Then it should be easy for you to show her the error of her ways. > > Jonathan wrote: > > Her slight to Lance today, while ignored by him, was > > uncalled for. Her holier, more scriptural than thou attitude > > is just plain tiring. Reprove me all you want but at least > > reprove her first. > > Send me privately the post that you believe to be in error. > > I found the following: > -------------------- > Lance, that’s why I see leftist theology and politics (which are two arms of > the same mindset) as directly anti-Christ. Freedom of religion in every > sphere of life is NOT theocracy. Thank God we still have a Constitution > which prohibits laws abridging freedom of religion—now we just need to > enforce them. > > BTW, I saw the co-author of “The Right Nation; Conservative Power in > America”, a British man named Adrian Woodridge, on the Book review channel > last night. Very interesting! He says America is going to continue ever > more to the right. The book goes into contrasting the European mindset vs > the American one. The Europeans are mostly anti-Christians (leftists.) I > may have to buy yet another book…. > -------------------- > > Is this what you are upset about? She was not maligning Lance. She was > characterizing "leftist theology and politics" as being anti-Christ. That > is her opinion. What is the problem? > > Jonathan wrote: > > In regards to the rest of your comments I believe you > > must deal with the words 'keep' before you deal with > > the words 'lost/perished' and 'son of perdition.' Basic > > syntax. > > Unnecessary. Jesus said Judas was lost. Why don't you want to talk about > that? He also called him the son of perdition. Acts tells us through > implication that he has his own place in hell reserved for him. > > Jonathan wrote: > > Starting with your 'hot' words before dealing > > with what Jesus says leading up to them will > > result in improper exegesis. > > Why? If I tell you that I kept my wife, then she was lost, why would you > have to expound extensively about what I meant by "kept" in order to > understand what I meant by kept? Seems to me that you are making this too > difficult. I could be wrong. It would not be the first time. > > Jonathan wrote: > > If you already think that your position is a 'slam dunk' > > than I doubt you are willing to consider any other position. > > I am willing to consider other positions, but I'm not going to go out of my > way to do it. The Scriptures are pretty clear. > > Jonathan wrote: > > Case in point: you were proven dead wrong in > > your exegesis of the Abraham/sin issue. > > I don't think so. Maybe you did not follow that thread too closely. What > John Smithson and I agreed upon was that the Scriptures were silent about > whether or not Abraham was willing for men to sleep with his wife. His > presuppositions led him to believe that he was willing to share his wife, > and my presuppostions led me to believe that he was willing to call his wife > his sister, but not that he was willing to share his wife with other men. > > Jonathan wrote: > > Did you change your mind once the truth was out? > > Of course not. > > Actually, I did. I agreed with John that what I had said was inferred from > my presuppositions and not directly stated in the text. If you remember, I > corrected my original statement and asked him if the revised version better > fit what the text actually said without projecting my presuppositions about > Abraham being a praying man who relied upon God to deliver his wife. > > Jonathan wrote: > > In reality I don't think you are here to discuss > > truth. Rather you are here to discuss your opinion > > (something you equate with the truth). Then again > > I just may be in a bad mood. > > I'm sorry you feel that way. I certainly do express my opinions, because I > like to see them challenged, and I also like to challenge others to see what > merit they have in what they teach. > > Jonathan wrote: > > I am sad to see that my plea for you to remove > > your trite 'peace be with you' went unheeded. > > At least change it up a bit every now and again. > > There is a reason Hallmark cards fail to move > > the spirit. > > I had considered removing it, but I felt that this would be a move in the > wrong direction. God has called me to be a man of peace, and it seems > unnatural for me not to sign off without a blessing of peace. If I changed > it to shalom, would that help? > > May God's peace and grace be with you Jonathan, > David Miller. > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." 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