In a message dated 12/15/2004 8:28:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I repeat, JohnâJesus said Judas was lost.  You can toss out all the definitions you want, but you know what Jesus meant.  Izzy



Actually I don't.   I have never studied the issue.   I am not saying you are wrong  --  I am saying that "lost" does not mean "lost."   The biblical message is not that simple.  If it were,   all honest people would agree.    But there is much much more to this business of spiritual growth than meets the eye.   You know that !!

John

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