It matters several 'whits' to me that Jesus spoke of Judas. I do not believe

that his (Jesus') meaning and the two of you (David (?) and Izzie) are the

same meaning. Get my meaning? It's possible therefore, that you've

miscontrued Jesus' meaning, eh?

 

Lance, In a word: No.  Jesus said what He said.  “none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.”  In spite of Jonathan’s very lengthy attempt to change the plain meaning of these simple words, the obvious meaning is clear and simple.  I assume you are at your whits end. Izzy

 

 

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