Though I'm pleased that your software package serves you well, your 'reading' of Jesus, IMO, does not. Yes, it is the first time I've said that though, I stated virtually the same point concerning Jesus & the Sabbath.
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: December 15, 2004 15:32 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Intentional sin -- the Judas factor > Lance wrote: > > I do not believe that his (Jesus') meaning and the > > two of you (David (?) and Izzie) are the same meaning. > > ... It's possible therefore, that you've miscontrued > > Jesus' meaning, eh? > > Possible, but not likely considering that you have not offered any serious > alternative meanings. This is the first time you have stated that you do > not believe that what Jesus meant is what Izzy and I understand him to mean. > > What do you think Jesus meant by saying that Judas is lost? > > What do you think Jesus meant by calling him the son of perdition? > > For those interested in Greek analysis: > > The Greek word for "lost" here is "apoleia." It occurs 21 times in the New > Testament and is translated as perdition, destruction, waste, damnable, > damnation, die, perish, pernicious, and ways. > > Thayer defines it as follows: > 1) destroying, utter destruction > 1a) of vessels > 2) a perishing, ruin, destruction > 2a) of money > 2b) the destruction which consists of eternal misery in hell > > Strong defines it as follows: > >From a presumed derivative of G622; ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or > eternal): - damnable (-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, > pernicious ways, waste. > > Following are some verses that use this word "apoleia": > > Hebrews 10:39 > (39) But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition [apoleia]; but of > them that believe to the saving of the soul. > > 2 Peter 3:7 > (7) But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept > in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition > [apoleia] of ungodly men. > > Revelation 17:8 > (8) The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the > bottomless pit, and go into perdition [apoleia]: and they that dwell on the > earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from > the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is > not, and yet is. > > Matthew 7:13 > (13) Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the > way, that leadeth to destruction [apoleia], and many there be which go in > thereat: > > Romans 9:22-23 > (22) What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, > endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction > [apoleia]: > (23) And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of > mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, > > Philippians 3:18-19 > (18) (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even > weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: > (19) Whose end is destruction [apoleia], whose God is their belly, and whose > glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) > > 2 Peter 2:3 > (3) And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise > of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation > [apoleia] slumbereth not. > > Peace be with you. > David Miller. > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
