Re: [TruthTalk] Intentional sin -- the Judas factor

[Lance Muir]

He (Jesus) and I have nothing to argue about as to His Love and Forgiveness including Judas but, thanks for the suggestion. ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 17, 2004 08:47 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Intentional sin -- the Judas factor History cannot change what Jesus said�Judas was lost.  Argue with Him.  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Powers Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 4:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Intentional sin -- the Judas factor   It means despite some misguided attempts at interpreting scripture John thinks as I do, Judas Iscariot is not neccessarily burning in hell. Judas did what he did from the heart, he loved Yeshua and in his own way was attempting to force Yeshua's hand. Did it backfire? some might say yes, but it worked according to God's plan. To me thats as it had to be.  But some have to kick the scapegoat even harder than he kicked himself. May I suggest an intense study of Jewish history? It seems lacking here! jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 6:13 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Intentional sin -- the Judas factor     In a message dated 12/15/2004 8:28:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I repeat, John�Jesus said Judas was lost.  You can toss out all the definitions you want, but you know what Jesus meant.  Izzy Actually I don't.   I have never studied the issue.   I am not saying you are wrong  --  I am saying that "lost" does not mean "lost."   The biblical message is not that simple.  If it were,   all honest people would agree.    But there is much much more to this business of spiritual growth than meets the eye.   You know that !! John   John, wake up. Did you ever sing Amazing Grace?  Remember the words, �I once was lost, but now I�m found,�? What did that mean to you? Izzy