I
certainly hope that by pointing out the actions of another, you hope to throw
smoke on your own sin. My five-year-old daughter does that (this is not a
comment against Judy, only a tragic series of episodes I must deal with at
home).
jt:
So you equate my words with responses from your five year old daughter
Slade?
I see a difference between an "ad hominem"
against a statement made and an insulting statement against an
individual.
jt: I respectfully disagree. I
view "ad hominems" as primarily directed toward and insulting someone's
person. I don't view disagreeing with any religious idea in the same
light. To me John's calling Izzy's statement "ridiculous" is
an ad hominem attack and Lance calling what I wrote "silly and foolish"
is also patronizing and unloving which qualifies as ad
hominem.
Saying "Doesn't God's Word mean
anything to you" is insulting and does not add more weight to your
perception of Scripture. It does not foster love in the Community of Messiah.
It's divisive.
jt:
It wouldn't see it that way if directed toward me Slade. I would see it
as an opportunity to give an answer for the "hope that is within
me"
You
complained about "A really ridiculous statement."
What about the statement "Lord, I believe, help me in my
unbelief" do you think is wise beyond council?
jt:
What I commented on was John calling what Izzy wrote "a really ridiculous
statement" which comment reflects upon her as a person.
You
complained about "They are both silly and,
foolish." Do you think the "quibbles" on TT are neither silly nor
foolish?
jt:
Quibbles aside, my comment was about the adjectives directed toward me as
a person. God does not take kindly to those who call their brother 'Raca'
or fool and we are constantly barraged by talk of how we
are brothers/sisters and all one community.
I
think your comment Doesn't God's Word mean anything
to you is insulting -- I don't think your PRESENCE is insulting.
jt:
Just my words? So I am acceptable if I don't say
anything?
That
is not ad hominem. It's an attempt to change a behavio[u]r in order to make
life on TT a bit more enjoyable for everyone and hopefully to foster responses
from the Silent Majority. At this point, why should anyone else [the silent
folk] comment when the threat of being flamed and called heretic[k] is so
high? -- slade
jt:
I guess DaveH could now qualify as one of the "silent majority" but I would
have a hard time believing that he is threatened :), he's probably just
busy. DavidM OTOH just may be one of the "silent majority" by now since
there have been so many mean spirited comments directed toward him and his
beliefs and few if any valid challenges backed by either scripture or
hypothesis..
jt: Another question
Slade along with an appeal to your finer sensibilities.
How is it that you are not offended by the
statements below by John to Izzy and by Lance in response to what I
wrote?
IMO being labelled 'ridiculous' 'silly' and
'foolish' is ad hominem and way more insulting than honest
questions to those who promote an aberrent spirituality which is
contrary to the Word of God on this list.
John wrote: A really ridiculous statement. "Lord, I
believe, help me in my unbelief." J
Lance wrote:
That's where God is looking and, so should we. What a waste of time so many
of these 'quibbles' are! They are both silly and,
foolish.
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Moderator: Judy. Please cease giving people the opportunity to "turn
the other cheek." Asking people "Doesn't God's Word mean
anything to you?" is insulting and needs
to stop. -- slade
