Re: [TruthTalk] Intentional sin -- the Judas factor

[Lance Muir]

I believe that there exists in all of our lives a discontinuity between HEAD and HEART.While we do seek to minimize this split  yet the majority, approaching ALL, of our disputations on TT take place over our conceptual constructs of WHO GOD IS. Someone has said that 'the 'who' questions always take precedence over the 'what' questions'. Slade's illustration serves to make this point IMO. That cancer-sufferer may die while embracing a 'regulative belief' concerning Who God Is. If he's correct then: 1. God may be testing his faith unto death 2. God may heal him at the last moment 3. He may be wrong thus, die needlessly   If we think of TT as a virtual room inhabitated by true and genuine believers then, we are totally unified until one simple thing takes place namely, speaking/writing. When we speak of that which we have done, we are reflecting WHO we believe God to be. The thoughts and intents of the heart are elusive even within ourselves not to speak of other's perceptions of us. Thus we come full circle, as all through all of our lives we seek (if we are disciples) to minimize the split between head and heart to the Glory of God. God grant that we may know who He is and live out of that knowledge   Those who know us, truly know us, are more aware of this split (dualism) than those who do not. It, understably, aggrivates them. Family, friends, employers/employees/collegues. We cannot hide who we are from such over an extended period of time. From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 19, 2004 02:00 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Intentional sin -- the Judas factor     On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 16:51:42 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I certainly hope that by pointing out the actions of another, you hope to throw smoke on your own sin. My five-year-old daughter does that (this is not a comment against Judy, only a tragic series of episodes I must deal with at home).   jt: So you equate my words with responses from your five year old daughter Slade?    I see a difference between an "ad hominem" against a statement made and an insulting statement against an individual.   jt: I respectfully disagree. I view "ad hominems" as primarily directed toward and insulting someone's person. I don't view disagreeing with any religious idea in the same light.  To me John's calling Izzy's statement "ridiculous" is an ad hominem attack and Lance calling what I wrote "silly and foolish" is also patronizing and unloving which qualifies as ad hominem.   Saying "Doesn't God's Word mean anything to you" is insulting and does not add more weight to your perception of Scripture. It does not foster love in the Community of Messiah. It's divisive.   jt: It wouldn't see it that way if directed toward me Slade. I would see it as an opportunity to give an answer for the "hope that is within me"   You complained about "A really ridiculous statement." What about the statement "Lord, I believe, help me in my unbelief" do you think is wise beyond council?   jt: What I commented on was John calling what Izzy wrote "a really ridiculous statement" which comment reflects upon her as a person.   You complained about "They are both silly and, foolish." Do you think the "quibbles" on TT are neither silly nor foolish?   jt: Quibbles aside, my comment was about the adjectives directed toward me as a person. God does not take kindly to those who call their brother 'Raca' or fool and we are constantly barraged by talk of how we are brothers/sisters and all one community.   I think your comment Doesn't God's Word mean anything to you is insulting -- I don't think your PRESENCE is insulting.   jt: Just my words?  So I am acceptable if I don't say anything?   That is not ad hominem. It's an attempt to change a behavio[u]r in order to make life on TT a bit more enjoyable for everyone and hopefully to foster responses from the Silent Majority. At this point, why should anyone else [the silent folk] comment when the threat of being flamed and called heretic[k] is so high? -- slade   jt: I guess DaveH could now qualify as one of the "silent majority" but I would have a hard time believing that he is threatened :), he's probably just busy.  DavidM OTOH just may be one of the "silent majority" by now since there have been so many mean spirited comments directed toward him and his beliefs and few if any valid challenges backed by either scripture or hypothesis..     jt: Another question Slade along with an appeal to your finer sensibilities. How is it that you are not offended by the statements below by John to Izzy and by Lance in response to what I wrote? IMO being labelled 'ridiculous' 'silly' and 'foolish' is ad hominem and way more insulting than honest questions to those who promote an aberrent spirituality which is contrary to the Word of God on this list.     John wrote: A really ridiculous statement.   "Lord, I believe, help me in my unbelief."  J   Lance wrote: That's where God is looking and, so should we. What a waste of time so many of these 'quibbles' are! They are both silly and, foolish.   [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Moderator: Judy. Please cease giving people the opportunity to "turn the other cheek." Asking people "Doesn't God's Word mean anything to you?" is insulting and needs to stop. -- slade