RE: [TruthTalk] The Right Way To Get To The Truth

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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Right Way To Get To The Truth   In a message dated 12/18/2004 7:51:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here is a deliberate falsification of what has been said by me.   Absolutely no one, certainly not me, has said anything similar to what we do is an irrelevant thing.  If the debate has to include my defense of intentionally falsified charges,  I am not interested.   Neither did I say that addictions, compromises with truth, and homosexuality are all testaments to the possession of truth. I did not come close to saying this.   If you want to discuss issues, fine.   If not, as far as I am concerned you can go somewhere else; a forum, perhaps, that enjoys witchhunts and deceit .  John John, that’s what I heard you saying. I’m sorry if I misunderstood you. (Maybe we live in parallel universes?) Izzy This is a script list, Linda.   You cannot play innocent on this one.   You heard nothing.   It was in black and white.   You misused what I said,   actually changed it into wording that I do not believe and did not write and THAT is not done by honest hands.   It is deliberate and unworthy.  Disappointed John Dear Dissapointed, Once again you have accused me of dishonesty and of malicious motives.  For that I, again, forgive you.  Here is what you wrote: Not always and neither do you.    Neither does the addicted, lost in his habit and helpless to be what he really wants to be;  neither the confused and beleaguered wife who compromises to  save the marriage;  or the young black boy with absolutely no guidance, lost in a sea of racial regrets who cries in private at what he sees as his only choices; or the gay and homely blade who is so taken by the disappointment of his parents (in all facets of his life) that, in spite of what he believes,   his need for acceptance prevails.   None of this rises to the level of reasoned excuse for failure.   But the addicted "really wants" and thus, believes in what is noble and right; the beleaguered wife "compromises" and thus acknowledges what she believes to be right;  the black boy who secretly weeps lives a life that trumps what he knows is right (thus the tears);  and the gay and lonely son who is driven by guilt because, and only because, he "knows" what he believes but is lost without a teacher (lost does not mean lost, in this case).   Tears, guilt, compromise, restless addictions are all testaments to the possession of truth.    It is when we have so surrendered to the flesh that we feel no guilt, shed no tears, are aware of no compromise, and rejoice in our addictions that we are truly lost -- given over to the flesh.   So people often do not live as they believe, Linda.   And there are times when we meet these people,  speak what God would have us to say and it strikes at the heart of who they really are and what they really believe and they are "saved."   That is what I am saying.   John I fail to understand how I misrepresented what you said.  It seems to me that you are saying that the sins (compromises and addictions) of the suffering, as well as the resulting tears and guilt, are evidence that they possess the truth. Perhaps the error is not in my maliciousness, but in your communication? So I suggest we just moveon.org. Izzy