Re: [TruthTalk] TOE revisited

[Lance Muir]

Judy quotes scripture. Case closed. Who could ask for more? ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 20, 2004 12:19 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] TOE revisited jt: No Lance, the problem is not me; the problem is your refusal to deal with truth. IOW we are back to the old "dog" really means "cat" semantic game.  If you are in denial, just deal with it and we can go from there. Passing the buck will get us noplace and neither will cute word games. You are right in that I do believe that scripture interprets other scripture because all of it is inspired by the same "Spirit"  Oophs! there's that word again.   On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 12:05:52 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The problem, dearest Judy, is you IMO. Impasse has been reached. Hold on to that which you believe it to mean. jt: Lance I believe the meaning of the word spirit is spirit. Do you want me to post the Hebrew and Greek words from my Strongs Concordance?  Do you have another meaning?  What is the problem?   On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:23:58 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: So then, just before Izzie submits a post indicating that I've 'bested' you (what a juvenile thing to have said - smiley face or not) am I to assume that you WILL NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION? What question you ask? Well the one concerning the appearance of a word (spirit) in a text and the meaning you believe that word to possess?  jt: I believe that the texts below are self explanatory Lance, they need no amplification.   On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:03:35 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: To say that your reading of Paul disagrees with my 'doctrine', as you call it, is quite correct. It is your reading of these texts with which I disagree. I assume that you understand that the simple appearance of a word in a text and the meaning you believe that word to have are not necessarily synonymous. Please do answer this latter point. Lance writes: HK is a living, while breathing, soul. HK does not HAVE a soul but IS soul.HK is not spirit nor do we possess A spirit. May I, preemptively, suggest that on this very important topic, language (original) matters. Hebrew 'monism' is our template here. Paul, in no way disagrees with this.   jt: Hebrew Monism must come from your doctrine because that word is certainly not scriptural and neither is the word "essence" However, the word Spirit is all over scripture as follows - You might want to reconsider your statement above Lance.   God is spirit (John 4:24) There is a spirit in man and the inspiration of the Almighty gives them understanding (Job 32:8) I Daniel was grieved in my spirit (Daniel 7:15) Perverseness is a breach in the spirit (Proverbs 15:4) The Lord formeth the spirit of man within him (Zech 12:1) At death the spirit of man goeth upward (Ecc 3:21) Better is a handful with quietness than both hands full with travail and vexation of spirit (Ecc 4:6) Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was and the spirit shall return to God who gave it (Ecc 12:7) The virgin Mary spoke of both soul and spirit while the child grew within her: "and my spirit hath rejoiced in God my savior" (Luke 1:47) Jesus (as a child) Grew and waxed strong in spirit (Luke 1:80) Concerning the child Jesus raised from the dead "her spirit came again and she arose" (Luke 8:55) Jesus from the cross "Father into thy hands I commend my spirit" (Lk 23:46)   This will do for now but suffice it to say that Paul most definitely disagrees with your doctrine, I've not even begun with him yet.         On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 15:59:37 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Essence "Spirit, Soul, Body (Triune Being)" has nothing to do with he "Us" in the Creation narrative. Essence has nothing to do with God being "One." jt: Of course it does Slade. God is Spirit and Man is spirit; being made in His image is what differentiates mankind from the animals.     The Hebrew text (as a rule) deals strictly with action,i.e., verb forms as opposed to static "To Be" forms. For instance, Echad (One) in Deuteronomy 6:4 is a VERB. -- slade   jt: How IYO would the above change the face that God is Spirit and so is Man?