Re: [TruthTalk] TOE revisited

[Judy Taylor]

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:49:44 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: IFF DM were to have written this otherwise, it might have read as  follows: Romans 7&8 as I and, some others interpret them teach a form of dualism. However, some of the better godly NT scholars in the world do not  so interpret these chapters. (i.e. NTWright, Gordon Fee). So then my  (David speaking) take on this may in fact be quite incorrect.   jt: Here we go again ... The Bible can't possibly say what it says because we need input from "the wise ones" Never heard of NT Wright, or Gordon Fee.  What in the world did the first century believers do without them?     From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Slade wrote: > > > DavidM twists what I say into comments like > > > "don't you understand Roman 7 & 8" in order > > > for me to consider passages that might be likewise > > > misconstrued in the Real World. > > > > You greatly misunderstand me, Slade.  Romans 7 & 8 teach the Greek > dualism > > of man.  Paul was an apostle to the Gentiles, a group of people > who were > > more familiar with Plato and Aristotle than Abraham and Moses.  > All the > buzz > > words are there that shows Paul to side more with the doctrine of > the > > Greeks, the Pharisees, and Yeshua, rather than the general Hebrew > mindset > > established by the Sadducean sect of the Hebrews.  If you do not > see any > > distinction in man between flesh and mind and spirit, then it > seems from > my > > perspective that you would find these two chapters of the Bible to > be very > > difficult to understand.  If that is not the case, then my comment > was a > > brief invitation for you to share your perspective on these > chapters.  Of > > course, your answer of just saying that they don' t pose any > challenge to > > you is very helpful to me as well.  It helps me keep my mind open > to > hearing > > other things that you might say that would give me some glimmer > of > > understanding of your viewpoint. > > > > Personally, I cannot understand how the Sadducees cannot believe in > the > > spirit of man and in angels.  I find some of your stated beliefs > equally > > perplexing and hope that one day you will feel comfortable enough > to share > > with us in the spirit of meekness what you believe. > > > > Slade wrote: > > > He likewise is here to show how people will > > > take the Hebrew Mindset argument and spin > > > it around and claim that I claim superiority. > > > > Again, you grossly misunderstand my comments.  I did not have you > in mind > > regarding this point.  I almost mentioned you as an exception, and > now I > > wish I did.  I had in mind the Hebrews of Christ's day and also > other > > Messianics and Jews who believe in Jesus.  I have been very > pleased to see > > you able to correspond with others in this forum who use > Hellenized or > Latin > > nouns.  I consider you to be very moderate in regards to my > comments and > > truly an exception, not an example. > > > > If you go back and read my post,  you will see that I was not > talking > about > > you.  I mentioned your name only in the beginning as someone who > has > > expressed some Sadducean viewpoints, such as in your eschatology > of not > > having "heaven" in view.  That is all.  There were no ad hominem > arguments > > made.  I was characterizing a particular movement in our country > which > puts > > the Hebrew mindset upon a pedestal and mentioning some extremes > that to my > > knowledge do not include you.  Please try not to take my comments > about > > others so personally. > > > > Peace be with you. > > David Miller. > > > > > > ---------- > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that > you may > know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email > to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you > have a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you > may know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you > have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > >