JT: Jonathan, what
you are trying to insert yourself into here really is not your business. If
you can
not be part of the
answer, why make yourself part of the problem? I know this is a
public list
but your input on
this thread tonight just stokes the fire and
feeds discord.
Best to stick with
your theology.
Judy says: What
I have learned through all of this though is how little love there is among
those who profess godliness. So many seem to want to get in and lay on
another 'stripe' - accusation and condemnation reign. Is it
any wonder people lack vulnerability and openness in Church
settings? - they would be eaten alive. Where is the love that
covers the multitude of sin? judyt
Jonathan responds:
I believe this is very much my business.
Your practice of
hypocrisy has been aimed at me many times in the last year. Many posts
with your long list of put-downs towards Godly men I respect and admire,
your rants against theologians and even theology itself have been during
conversations with yours truly. This is very much a �me�
issue. I have reproved you on this very
issue what, half a dozen times in the last year?
And as a case in
point that 1) you give out just as much as you take, and 2) lack the love
you wish others had please see your post above. Your �best to stick
with your theology� has accusation and condemnation
all over it. Where is the love Judy? This is you laying yet another �stripe�.
What we are seeing here is your defenses running full
force against what has been exposed as your
hypocrisy.
When people have
brought your harshness/bitterness/lack of love in
your emails to you, you have always hid behind the line that what
you were saying was true even though it didn�t sound loving. That it was better to reprove someone in love even if you had
to use tough love. That you had such concern for the
members of the forum that you would take a stand and do this. When
people do it to you, you claim �how little love there is among those who
profess godliness�. You will do anything but
address the issue of hypocrisy in your life, even to the point of
lashing out at those who expose it (slade
deserves an apology from you for the way you have reacted to his
reprovals). None of us want you to be in the position you are in
Judy. We all want to see you move beyond it to
healing. Jonathan
And the following
is what I didn't want to respond to:
I am not speaking
of your plagiarism. I really care less
about it...
jt: Then why
do you continue to feed comments like Gary's and help to keep the issue
alive? You know, like "he who is without
sin?"
JBH: You (Judy) labeled what Gary said as an ad
hominem. It wasn�t. You were wrong. You accused a brother of something that was not
true. When David thought that John did this he went off his
rocker and threatened to shun John. When you do it we just smile and
say, �there she goes again�. And as usual you
refuse to accept the moderator�s authority. You wouldn�t let
you kids get away with this type of behavior but you like to express it
here.
unless you were
jabbing pin and needles into others for plagiarism. Sometimes the words of
another human being expresses our thoughts better than we can.
I also don't care
about "cuss words" unless it's
overdone. These are not holiness issues to me.
jt: So it does
not bother you if sweet and bitter water come from the same
fountain?
JBH: Sweet and bitter water come from your typing hands
daily. As proved to you lately sweet and
bitter water have come from Finis Dake.
I am extremely
concerned over hypocrisy. I fear it in my own life and I yearn for people
to express their concerns regarding the hypocrisy they smell in MY life.
This trait manifested in the last week, and you have NOT
repented of it.
jt: Excuse
me? I have publicly repented/apologized to people on this list
and I have dealt with my own heart before the Lord. Do you need something
special Slade? I'm sorry that this does not measure up to your
standard. Will you forgive me?
JBH: You halfheartedly apologized to people on this
list. Bill accepted it. What Slade points out is that while
you apologized for your plagiarism you did not
apologize/repent of your hypocrisy which is well documented on this
forum. You have been called on it and we should all expect David Miller to jump on you
like he jumped on John threatening that you be shunned and removed
from fellowship until you have repented. If he does not then we know
that he just has it in for John and could care less about the rest of the
forum.
In fact,
you hide behind
weak screens like
"Dake is not a
theologian" and
"Dake was a
spirit filled man which I believe gives one more insight into certain
truths" which makes
it all right for YOU to quote him, but quotes of other men are worthless,
incessant wadings.
jt: The late
Finis Dake was not a theologian and what I quoted was truth no matter
where it came from. But Truth appears only a minor issue here some seem to
be much more interested in nit picking.
JBH: Finis
Dake was a theologian. You are a theologian. Please learn the
term. Is a theologian only one who gets paid to
theologize? Silly. Truth is much
more of an issue here than you seem to be able to see. There are few people that I know of that nit pick more than
you do. The old plank in the eye thing
Judy.
All you have to
do is go back through those archives and see how many times you say
something like "all I need is Scripture." What's
worse, is you criticize the Pharisees for being
hypocrites!!!
jt: What I
meant to convey is that if we are going to major on talking about truth we
would be better off to stay with Scripture; as for the
Pharisees, Jesus called them hypocrites so I am in
agreement with the Master. They put loads on other people that they
weren't willing to carry themselves and I'm beginning to wonder if there
isn't some of the Pharisee spirit here right now.
JBH: You change your tune more than an old piano.
Scripture does not have a monopoly on truth. You have yet to use
scripture in this post. Blah blah blah.
Apparently, the fruit doesn't fall far from the
tree.
JBH: A
typical poke. Nice
bitter water coming from this water fountain.
THIS is the issue
of greatest concern. It's not a case of
rubbing it in.
jt: Then why
do you keep doing so and delving into all the details again when you
do it?
JBH: Because you have a lot to learn about yourself.
Please learn it so we don�t have to continue to do this with you every
month.
It's a case of
wishing you the best in your life.
Hypocrisy will destroy you unless you give it to God. --
slade
jt: What does
God want with it Slade? My you have a back handed way of
wishing me the best in life - Like nothing I say makes a dent in whatever
you have already concluded concerning me. But Oh well, all I
can say is that I am so glad God does not hold grudges.
JBH: You don�t think God holds grudges? Hmmm somehow
I think you are misleading people here. Do you think God sends
people to Hell? Sounds like quite a
grudge. Love me or burn!
P.S. I
asked a question about the two messages that went astray Slade - up
front and out in the open, giving you the opportunity to respond in
kind...
jt: Others can do
whatever they like Slade. I just got weary of being confronted with the
doctrines
of certain men over
and over, and over, and over on TT. Also I don't use my Dake's
Bible in any closet,
it's right out
there on the table with the others and I've made no secret of the
fact that that I have one.
BTW since I
have publicly repented for this why is it not dropped? Is God in
favor of beating ppl
over the same
offence 70 times 7? The thread should be defunct and yet
you the Moderator go on to
feed Gary's insult
as follows:
myth
(e.g.,
reflectg on her exchngs, even with you: her posts indicate
her monolithic presumption
of theolgicl
superiority)
Within
the context of this thread, I disagree.
jt:
The mind boggles; in light of the above gets by then what left
to moderate??
PS:
The reason I am responding publicly is because you initially posted this
publicly which David has
"Jonathan Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes: Jonathan in dark
blue as JBH.
JT: Jonathan, what
you are trying to insert yourself into here really is not your business. If
you can
not be part of the
answer, why make yourself part of the problem? I know this is a
public list
but your input on
this thread tonight just stokes the fire and
feeds discord.
Best to stick with
your theology.
