Re: [TruthTalk] The place of creeds in relation to truth

[Lance Muir]

An amen to Bill's amen to George. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 01, 2005 00:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The place of creeds in relation to truth More, more, we want more! "The greatest priests on 57th St were the musicians. They knew how to punch through the music and get to the people; they were the healers" -- or something like that; The Band from the movie The Last Waltz. I have to admit that too often while we are locked up arguing the orthodoxy of asylum, public therapeutin is practiced by the inmates.   Please more of your Rock theology,   Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The place of creeds in relation to truth toward peace..theology is the personalization, also, the socialization, of 'God's message' (in this case meaning 'the message' that the Bereans 'receivd' from the Ap Paul acc to the writg in Acts)..that msg had to be evaluatd in Berea, too..that's bec there is no biblical theology devoid of either personalization/s or socialization/s..and, these (p&s's) are assembled relative to certain assumd values and presuppositions..all theology is not only experientially organizd, it is relatively experimental even in the hardest bitten 'orthodoxy'..thus the creeds..thus, too, of necessity, wisely, all theology is negotiable..however, as the creedalists realiz/d, all such experiments and negotiations may (or may not) be transacted within biblical perameters..these biblical perameters also are negotiable or non-negotiable; and, this observation, rootd in several yrs of TT experience, captures our situation precisely..TT rubber meets road (also) with typical (e.g. Nicene) friction..perhaps, in sum, like at Nicea, the 'friction' (here) is the degree to which all  participants are/are not 'negotiating' such perameters existentially, virtually, per post..   example: jt's contra-ref to 'Servaitus' includes the critique that Calvin operated acc to 'Mosaic code'/theology in Geneva (which may not be true given the nature of the reference so far..e.g., is it from 'Philip Schaff'? so what?)..regardless, if this ref proves to be valid, then think about the lengths to which non-negotiating tendencies, as above, will travel..inexhorably into contradiction (validatg, at least in part, contr G, Bill's public observations):   while jt employs this source to discredit creedal theology (keep this word in the contxt, above, pls), she actually (not merely simultaneously) implicates numerous ppl, prob inc herself and many on TT who've advocatd the position that the 'Mosaic code' is in force existentially (now) upon JCs followers as potential 'Calvinists'..   as you may suspect, correctly IMO, Calvin himself continues to have a tremendous influence on our lives, but for stranger reasons than certain ppl, partic 'non-negotiable' types, typified abv have yet to realize..   think abt the implications of it 'assuming' Servaitus was burned at the stake due to the role/force of 'Mosaic code' in Calvinistic Geneva..   a reasonable theological discussion it 'at stake', here, too:)   G   On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:20:09 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Theology that is held on a personal basis..