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----- Original Message ----- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: January 04, 2005 14:14 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Judaizers within the Messianic Movement > Kay wrote: > > just did a little research and found both > > of them were Catholics. > > Do you mean Roman Catholics? Careful. While Roman Catholics might want to > claim a pedigree to the first apostles and therefore claim these men > (Tertullian and Athanasius) as being fathers in Roman Catholicism, the truth > is that Roman Catholicism did not begin until the 11th century. Prior to > 1054, there were no separate denominations in Christianity. The Roman > Catholic Church was the first denomination. The reason that few of us have > this sense of history is because our educational system has descended from > Roman Catholicism and is therefore biased by their slant on history. If you > consult with historians from Eastern Orthodoxy, they claim that they > represent the oldest church. The fact is that Roman Catholicism did not > exist as we know it until the final split they made from the Eastern > churches when they claimed that their Bishop in Rome had supremacy over all > the churches of the world. > > Furthermore, both Tertullian and Athanasius lived and belonged primarily to > churches in Africa. While they both visited Rome at times during their > lives, they were not very much part of the church there. Athanasius was in > Rome when he was forced into exile from the church, and returned to Egypt > when his banishment was lifted. When he was banished several times again, > he sought refuge in Northern Egypt or the outskirts of Alexandria, not Rome. > Clearly he was not a close adherent to the church powers of Rome, though he > was least rejected by the rulers there at the time. > > Kay wrote: > > The dude who also came up with the pre-trib > > rapture theory was also a Catholic a Jesuit priest > > who claimed to be a Jew.) I can't remember his name. > > This guys name was Manuel Lacunza, who wrote under the name, Juan Josafat > Ben-Ezra, but I think it inappropriate to identify him as the originator of > the pre-trib rapture. You might want to read the article at the following > website: > http://www.preteristarchive.com/PartialPreterism/macpherson-dave_dd_04.html > > The article referenced above indicates that Lacunza never taught the > pre-trib rapture. > > I think John Darby gets the real credit, though I realize others want to > credit Margaret MacDonald or Edward Irving. They were all three associated > with each other at some point, but Darby really articulated and put forth > the viewpoint as a theologian. This happened around 1830, the same time > Joseph Smith was introducing new Scriptures and a new church here in the > United States. :-) > > Peace be with you. > David Miller. > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
