Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related #2

[Dave Hansen]

Kevin Deegan wrote: Hello Dave Please explain.You left me out in the cold on this one. How are the Qoutes from the Prophets and General Authorities out of CONTEXT? I just don't see it maybe you could help me. Please provide exampleS DAVEH:   Here is a quote....... This Church is the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth .... there is no salvation outside the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. (Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, Page 670) .........and your conclusion........ Have we established that unless I join the LDS Church i can not be saved? ...........It has been pointed out on TT that salvation in LDS theology is defined differently than the Protestant definition.  The BC/MD quote above is taken from the section defining salvation.  Did you read the entire section, Kevin?  If not, you should as it would have explained........ 1.  Unconditional or general salvation, that which comes by grace alone without obedience to the gospel law, consist in the mere fact of being resurrected........But this salvation is not the salvation of righteousness, the salvation which all saints seek.........3.  Salvation in its true and full meaning is synonymous with exaltation or eternal life and consists in gaining an inheritance in the highest of the three heavens within the celestial kingdom.........Many conditions must exist in order to make such salvation available to men....There is no salvation [DAVEH: in this sense] outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.  ..........I've left a lot out of this, as the section is rather long.  But suffice it to say, the highest degree of the celestial kingdom is that wherein one becomes one with God.  Do you want to become exalted like God, Kevin?  If not, then you would not feel comfortable taking the steps to reach that level of salvation.  You may instead be more comfortable residing in one of the lower kingdoms of heaven, which does not require an LDS related steps.   I am not LDS I am Christian, You are not Christian DAVEH:  I respectfully disagree. you are LDS. Can we still be friends? DAVEH:  Sure!  Though I'm not sure I'll end up on your Christmas dinner invite list....    :-) I think so. We just can not be Spiritual Brothers. That does not mean I dislike you. I have LDS friends, just no LDS Brothers. DAVEH:  OK Kevin.  I'll try not to intrude on your Brotherly space.... Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DAVEH:  I'm not sure why I'm defending Kevin on this, John....but he was trying to denigrate Mormonism by taking LDS comments out of context.  So the logic of what he said makes sense, even though it is hard for a non-Mormon to follow.  What you said below about Christians Baptists really doesn't relate. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/10/2005 11:51:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If all Mormons are Christians then all Christians are Mormons, right? Are all Christians Baptists?  Maybe not your best illustration.  Jd -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.