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I don't know about the "bathed in prayer" part because
they were constantly banishing each other. It was the beginning of the
Church/State merger era when (because of Constantine) the Church began to wield the power of the heathen state which was
never the will of the Lord who said "Render unto Caesar the things that are
Caesars ...." "My Kingdom is not of this world..." and so began the most
shameful era in the annals of Church history. As for the hereticks.
How was Arius any worse than those proclaiming orthodoxy? You see the
fruit of orthodoxy in the RCC of today with all of it's blasphemy and error and
in the bloodshed and hatred between Serbs and Croats during WW2 and to this
present day. So No, I don't trust creeds or orthodoxy to discern or to
lead me to truth. jht
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:02:30 -0500 "Gregory A. Hession J.D." < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
The council of Nicea was a multiyear assembly of nearly
every bishop in the church, bathed in prayer, and intent on dealing with
heresy which had attempted to demean the nature of Christ. I assume they
got it right. Do you have some specific disagreements with some of its
precepts? It isn't scripture, so I can understand your impulse to be
wary.
Can you be sure the Jesus
of the apostles is the same Jesus as the Nicene Creed? jht
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:28:27 -0500 "Gregory A. Hession J.D." < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Judy: I agree that we cannot have a
mealy-mouthed, squishy, Barney the Dinosaur,
We-are-the-World, Everything-Is-Beautiful Jesus. Let's assume
that I am referring to the full-orbed Jesus of the Scriptures, the Jesus
of the Nicene Creed, begotten before all ages, God of God, light of true
light, The Jesus testified to by the Apostles, martyrs, and
saints in the church through the ages, and the Jesus who is coming again
in glory to judge the living and the dead, and to whom every knee will bow
and every tongue confess he is Lord. Good enuf?
On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 13:47:19 -0500 "Gregory A. Hession J.D." < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
Unity is the show of love
DESPITE not saying the same thing in the theological details, because on the main issue of following Christ we
are saying the same thing. It is not a rational or
scriptural goal to aspire to get everyone to agree with ones
self. The goal, rather, should be to live a life of grace
and mercy in Christ: that is what is required. Then, it won't
matter if a brother disagrees, because we won't be in the frame of
mind to be disagreeable about it.
I don't know that this is true
Gregory; the question I have is "who is this Christ, who is
Jesus?" He appears to be chameleon like amongst those who profess to
be His disciples, and He is the main issue - would you
agree?
He is the Truth and on this list there is
little agreement about what truth consists of. He is the Way, you will
hear all kinds of different ways on TT. He is the Life, what kind
of life? Physical or spiritual, sometimes it's hard to tell. The
apostle Paul wrote to the church at Philippi "let us walk by the same
rule, let us mind the same thing" - this is the kind of unity we need
- right now we are not all saying the same thing.
jht
In a message dated 1/15/2005 2:54:46
PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
jt: Three hits
Gregory - Unity will happen when we are all saying the same thing
which unfortunately is not a reality right now. We used to
sing Ps 133 at a Church I went to.. Behold how good and how
pleasant it is, for brethren to dwell together in unity...
Amen!! judyt
Huh???
We will never have unity based upon "all saying
the same thing ...." Unity is based upon each
recognizing the servant/Master
relationship and giving honor and space to that
circumstance. A practice of the principles of Romans 14
(esp. v 4) would solve nearly all of the ranker problems on this
forum.. But that ain't going to happen
either. I could be wrong --- but
probably not. Jd
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