NO we do not learn these things from ANTI websites
What evidence do you provide, in the face of the FACT that Perry posts a OFFICIAL LDS work as the source?
If you do not provide evidence I will have to conclude that You bear False Witness against Perry.
It's easy to glean these things from OFFICIAL LDS sources
Check for yourself stop spouting the "ANTI" Party line
By the way do you know what the best ANTI source is?
That Revered Old Black Book; God's Holy Bible!
Does Richard Mouw speak for any of you Evangelicals out there?
Is he the Evangelical Pope?
Shame on Richard Mouw.
Even the Evangelicals have called on him to repent.
The sellout has begun
Is Mouw Bearing False Witness?
QUOTE: Dr. Mouw’s comments were irresponsible, shameful and hypocritical. He bore false witness against many fruitful ministries that want nothing more than to present a clear and accurate case when it comes to the teachings of Mormonism and the presentation of the gospel and the Christ of Scripture. Given how he has defined “bearing false witness,” we are unclear how Dr. Mouw can think his broad brush accusations were any less a sin than the stereotypes he claims have been foisted on Mormons. Dr. Richard Mouw owes an apology to the many missionaries and ministries he has undermined.
http://www.aomin.org/Mouw1.html
Fuller President Apologizes to Mormons in Error
http://www.mrm.org/multimedia/text/richard-mouw.html
Are "we evangelicals" guilty of bearing false witness when it comes to explaining Mormon doctrine?
By Bill McKeever
By Bill McKeever
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
BLAINERB: Pardon the interuption--the following excerpt from an apology from Richard Mouw, a prominant evangelical minister, on January 14 in the Salt Lake Tabernacle spells out the problem we have on TT continually--which is, that there are several people trying to TELL Mormons what they believe, rather than asking. The crux of Richard Mouw's apology is as follows:
Richard Mouw: "Let me state it clearly. We evangelicals have sinned against you (LDS). We have told you what you believe without making a sincere effort first of all to ask you what you believe. We have even on occasion demonized you, weaving conspiracy theories about what the LDS community is 'really' trying to accomplish in the world."
DAVE'S CONVERSATION WITH PERRY BELOW IS A CLASSIC!
PERRY: Okay, the LDS interpret the Godhead as 3 separate gods...sorry to mislead you!
DAVEH: Therein is the problem, Perry. You aren't misleading me.....you are misleading others who believe your sources are accurate
DAVEH: ??? Where did you get that, Perry!
And, if you are a woman, you do not get to be resurrected unless a Mormon male to whom you have been sealed in the temple calls you forth from the grave.
Here:
"Do the women, when they pray, remember their husbands?... Do you uphold your husband before God as your lord? 'What!--my husband to be my lord?' I ask, Can you get into the celestial kingdom without him? Have any of you been there? You will remember that you never got into the celestial kingdom [during the temple ceremony] without the aid of your husband. If you did, it was because your husband was away, and some one had to act proxy for him. No woman will get into the celestial kingdom, except her husband receives her, if she is worthy to have a husband; and if not, somebody will receive her as a servant." (LDS Apostle Erastus Snow preached the following on Sunday, Oct. 4, 1857, Journal of Discourses, vol.5, p.291)
>From the above, "No woman will get into the celestial kingdom, except her
husband receives her, if she is worthy to have a husband". Otherwise she may be relegated to someone's servant. Be nice to your husbands, Mormon women, or they may not "receive" you and you will spend eternity as a slave!
DaveH, if this is wrong, correct your Apostle Erastus Snow.
DAVEH: Apostle Snow doesn't need correcting, Perry.....but you do. Being resurrected and being resurrected to the celestial kingdom are two totally different concepts. LDS theology defines the (general) resurrection as being the point at which the spirit is reunited with the physical body. The resurrected body is one that becomes inseparable and incorruptible in immortality. LDS theology teaches that all women (and men) will be resurrected.
Contrast that to what Apostle Snow is referring to when speaking about exaltation. He is using resurrect in the dictionary sense of raising up. Essentially he is saying that it takes a united couple to rise (resurrect) to the highest level of the celestial kingdom, which is where one can become like God. LDS theology teaches that not all women (nor men) will be resurrected to the celestial kingdom.
Does that clear up your misunderstanding of how the LDS perceive resurrection?
DAVEH: Some is blatantly false (such as women not being able to be resurrected), while others are skewed to make it sound bad.
Tell me, then, how a woman gets resurrected to the celestial kingdom.
DAVEH: As I understand it, neither the man nor the women need be sealed to rise to the celestial kingdom, but they do need to be sealed to rise to the highest level of the celestial kingdom.
Or, do they get resurrected to some lower kingdom if they were unmarried, or their husband does not "receive" them, or if she is "not worthy to have a husband".
DAVEH: The answer to those questions is no.
And....Why do you call them secret, when they are available on the web? You have repeatedly tried to paint Mormonism with a negative brush of knowledge you've learned from ex-Mormons and anti-LDS websites.
If it is true, and it is on a website, then why should I not repeat it here? If it is not secret, then no big deal, right?
DAVEH: To us/me, it is sacred. If you wish to make light of the things I consider sacred, then posting them on TT will denigrate my beliefs.
Where else am I to learn it? In their pagan rites LDS are bound by penalties ( http://www.lds-mormon.com/veilworker/penalty.shtml), just like in Freemasonry, not to discuss the pagan rites and rituals that take place in the LDS temple. Only those who have been through those rites ("endowments", "ordnanances"), but have come to the truth, speak openly about it.
Perry
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