DAVEH: I'm changing the subject line to more accurately reflect the
thread.
Kevin Deegan wrote:
DAVEH: I'd appreciate how you
believe in this matter, Kevin. Do you believe it would have been
sinful for Jesus to have had children?
FIRST of all it was the god of Mormonism who put A&E
in a strait where they must sin. This is contrary to the NATURE of the
God of the Holy Bible. Therefore they can not be the same God!
SECOND It is just sinful to claim that he did have children.
Jesus never sinned.
Here are just a few reasons Why Jesus could not marry.
Marriage was not disclosed as the Fathers will for the Messiah
in the OT
DAVEH: ??? Are you saying marriage in itself is sinful, Kevin?
That almost sounds like you believe God created Adam and Eve to be
sinful. I don't think I've heard such from non LDS people before. Am
I understanding you correctly?
Many OT prophets were Single so they could devote themselves to
God
In Luke 9:23 Christ spoke, And he said to them all, If any man
will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily,
and follow me." By BIBLICAL definition you cannot be a disciple unless
you forsake all. Matthew 19:27-29 Luke 14:26-33.
DAVEH: Are you suggesting that simply being married constitutes
sinfulness..........and to properly follow Jesus, one should not be
married, Kevin? Whew! I do hope I am misunderstanding your point, as
that seems pretty peculiar to me.
HE WAS NOT AN INFIDEL
Since jesus had no place to lay His head Luke 9 "Son of
man hath not where to lay his head."
He could not have a wife & Child as that is a denial of the
faith.
1 Tim 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and
specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is
worse than an infidel.
JESUS DID THE FATHERS WILL NOT HIS OWN
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear,
I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but
the will of the Father which hath sent me.
JESUS himself TAUGHT a EUNUCH LIFESTYLE (could he teach
and not partake?) : MT 19 For there are some eunuchs, which were so
born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were
made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of
heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
JESUS CARED FOR THE THINGS OF THE FATHER NOT
THE THINGS of WORLD
Luke 2:49 I must be about my Father's business?
DAVEH: Did not the Lord command man to leave his parents and cleave
unto his wife (Gen 2:24)? It doesn't strike me as something the Lord
would command....IF marriage were sinful. Also.....don't you think the
Lord placed A&E on the earth for the specific purpose of
multiplying? If that were so, then why would you think having children
would be sinful? I can only assume I am misunderstanding your position
on this, Kevin. If you think having children is sinful, then it seems
as though the Lord intends us to sin in that respect.
Paul said "It is good for a man not to touch a
woman. …I say therefore to the UNMARRIED and widows, It is good for
them if they ABIDE even as I. …But and if thou marry, thou hast not
sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such
shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you. … But I would have
you without carefulness. HE THAT IS UNMARRIED CARETH FOR THE
THINGS THAT BELONG TO THE LORD, how he may please the Lord:
but he that is MARRIED careth for the things that are
of the WORLD, how he may please his wife. …And this I
speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but
for that which is comely, and that ye may ATTEND UPON THE LORD
WITHOUT DISTRACTION." (I Corinthians 7:1,8,28,32-33)
Jesus fulfilled this He had No entanglements "No
man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that
he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier. 2 Timothy 2:4
HOW COULD HE HAVE A FAMILY & THEN: JESUS
called people to leave their families, jobs, income,
and even to sell all, give to the poor, and follow Him Matthew 4:18-22;
10:9-10; 19:21; Luke 9:57-61; 14:26-33
JESUS DID NOT BURN Paul taught that marriage was
provided "if you cannot contain," and that "it is better to marry than
to burn" I Corinthians 7:2,8-9.
JESUS CHOSE THE BEST Marriage is God’s acceptable
state for those who have no power over their own will in sexual
matters. Getting married is doing "well," while staying single is doing
"better" I Corinthians 7:37-38
DAVEH: FTR.........I believe marriage is ordained of God. Most
non-LDS marriages I've attended have included the words, what God
has joined together, let no man put asunder, which leads me to
believe that most Christians also believe marriage is of God. Your
perspective on this rather surprises me, Kevin. Are you married?
Hmmmm......now that I think about it, I believe you mentioned
previously that you are not married. Is that by your will, or do you
allow that you may choose that course in the future? IF you've
remained unmarried because you feel it would be a distraction to your
ministry....you must be very devoted to your cause!
BTW........I will be interested to hear if any other TTers see it
the way you do. FWIW.......I just looked at DavidM's 5 little angels
(6, counting Caroline).......
http://innglory.org/images/MemberPics/photos.htm
..........and can't quite characterize them as being the result of
DavidM's sinful nature. I can only think he will disagree with you on
this matter as well, but I don't want to put words in his mouth.
Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DAVEH: If that were true, then when God commanded
Adam and Eve to populate the world, would the Lord have been commanding
A&E to sin?
That is a good question Dave. "Command A & E to Sin?"
Lets see if we can find out Be back soon.
DAVEH: I'd appreciate how you believe in this matter, Kevin. Do you
believe it would have been sinful for Jesus to have had children?
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