In a message dated 1/28/2005 5:28:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

JD, Yes, we HAVE sinned, which is why we need a Savior, to deliver us from the penalty and effects of sin, and to free us from the bondage of having to continue sinning.


You draw a distinction between past sins and the continual sin circumstance when you capitalize "HAVE" in the above.   two things wrong with this:   you ignore the present time part of the same passage  (and are falling short of [His glory] ), not to mention the fact that past time, HAVE sinned, is used for a very different reason than you suppose   --  it is used to describe the certainty that all are falling short because ALL HAVE SINNED   -   including the millions and millions that were not living 200 years ago and are not alive yet.  Past time in Ro 3:23 has nothing to do with this myopic view of the sin condition of man and everything with the fact of sin IN our lives, a fact that is as certain as the past in spite of the realization that it has not yet occurred.    If it included future sinners, it is not a stretch to see that included future sin. 

JD

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