Here is a perfect illustration for the advantages innately involved in a sharing and honest community of individuals. I came up with this tree and the forest thing -- at least as presented recently on this list. Here comes Debbie and her way of thinking. The words below, brought me to a rather profound understanding of the forest that I , JOhn Smithson, the original innovator regarding this subject, had not seen !! I am learning from my own stuff as per someone who can see just a bit more clearly than I. Kind of neat. And what was this profundity, you ask? Well, when one reaches out from one tree and is able to include others, standing in front of their given tree(s), although none can see the largeness of the forest, they suddenly, have a vision that tells them the forest (Truth) is more than where they are. What they have is true enough. What lays ahead, in terms of potential, is beyond our individual efforts. It is only achieved via community (i.e., the reaching out and making contact). I really hadn't seen the value of community in the illustration -- thank you.
JD
In a message dated 2/3/2005 9:00:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In other words, by way of addendum to my previous post, the real test would be: what are TTers saying to people OFF the listserv (to the "C" parties in my scenario)?
As for honest people disagreeing on any issue, that's the tree thing. We are all sincerely hugging our own trees. When an arm is reached out, someone can be pulled from one tree to another as I described, but they're still not seeing the whole forest.
Another note: the nature of any given person's interaction with others varies. On each and every occasion, a person can choose either to engage or not to engage. Making safety for people helps them decide to engage.
Debbie
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From: Lance Muir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 9:32 AM
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions
Of course. When you review the ongoing 'conversations' within the cliques/camps on TT what headway do you see being made? The more literate among us (that'd exclude me) could occupy both sides of any conversation while 'speaking' (writing) under the name of virtually any person.
Is this not so?
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Sent: February 03, 2005 09:20
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions
In a message dated 2/3/2005 5:17:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Kevin says: 'They will not change by skilled reasoning.' Please describe the nature of the content of your own posts, Kevin. Are we witnessing the wisdom of God or, the wisdom of Kevin? If a Mormon I, I'd be quite unmoved. On the whole they (your arguments) are quite supercillious.
I do beleive that a worthy point of discussion would be one which includes an understanding of just why it is that honest people disagree on most any issue.
J
