RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy's response

Kevin Deegan Sat, 05 Feb 2005 06:09:16 -0800

Appologize for what? Your bad feelings & conscience?

Izzy has nothing to appologize for.

If your conscience is defiled see thou to it

But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck

Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Debbie Sawczak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I don't know, but it seems to me the easiest and quickest thing to do, *especially* if Izzy had no evil intent, would've been to apologize. "I see that by citing that verse I may have inadvertently called Mormons "swine". I'm sorry. That wasn't what I meant. I meant that they might be in a spiritual condition in which further preaching would be wasted on them, like the people Jesus was talking about. If I hurt any of you needlessly by this, please forgive me."

"Lord Jesus, I may have hurt my fellow listserv-ers needlessly. Forgive me."

Done. Under the bridge. Without apologies, no community could function.

Debbie

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Can't take it any more. Ha Ha

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Please unsubscribe me until such time as Gary is no longer Moderator. Thank you.

I awake this morning, contemplating whether Gary�s incompetence as Moderator is simply due to possible chemically-induced brain damage or to a more sinister malicious intent. Then I sit down at my computer and find in my personal inbox the message above. Question answered.

Yesterday, in an attempt to avoid rebelling against the authority imparted to Gary (not GEORGE, Lance), I decided to simply step down quietly. Since then it seems that Gary has backstepped enough to invite my comments, so I will avail myself of the opportunity.

When Gary requested the Moderator position I was cautiously optimistic that he would surprise and dazzle us all with a more coherent and egalitarian persona. I was hopeful that he would use his new position of power to mediate an open and safe arena for the free exchange of ideas by using wise restraint in gently reprimanding those who have overstepped the boundaries of civility. Instead he quickly instituted an environment of intimidation for those whose opinions he loathes. (The same mistake made less maliciously by Slade, I am sad to say.) Gary, while trying to pass himself as �pastoral�, gave himself away by his rush to judgment against me, and his subsequent glee in forcing me out of TruthTalk. He has shown himself to believe his new position is that of Chief of Censorship and Thought Police.

In response to a statement I have made in the past, that street preachers should beware of ignoring Jesus� caution against preaching to hardened unbelievers for the sake of their own safety, Gary has shown himself to be like the leftist judge in the �Philly 5� trial�mistaking the Word of the Lord for �hate speech�. I would have welcomed an inquiry to clarify my position from anyone with such a misunderstanding. Instead Gary chose to immediately condemn me as �irresponsible� and �thoughtless�, as well as �divorced� from �intense thinking�, �authorship qualities required to post it�, and Jesus� �literary expertise in his carefully worded generic manner.�

Then Gary decreed my punishment for �very nasty feelings/responses� (His own I assume):

revise my words
repost my revision �minus the backhanded ad hominem reference�
apologize to all affected parties
apologize to the Lord himself
apologize to the public
apologize to TruthTalk
apologize to the mormons
apologize to the street preachers �on whom the posted language slops�
Do all of the above by the deadline of 6pm MST, 2/4/05
Publicly refrain from deploying any NT language as a scathing false public embarrassment of other TT�ers

He then invites a public vote as to whether or not I actually committed an ad hominem attack, all the while reminding everyone that the outcome will definitely not relieve me of my punishment as written above. Then Gary�s devotees exhibited appropriate shock and outrage at my post.

Gary, your eagerness to publicly humiliate and embarrass me on Truthtalk has only served to expose your motive as expressed by JD Smithson: �Actually, I call it "The Fall of the Final Four." The Inquistion has begun. I find this environment impossible for the uninhibited, free exchange of ideas. I invite you to either step down as Moderator or to make the apologies that you have outlined above. Otherwise my resignation stands, and you can live in a little box of men who all parrot the same dead language to each other.

Sincerely, Izzy

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