JD writes: It is dishonest to deny the very heart of the gospel messsage  --  that we all continue to possess sin and and that the blood continually flows in dealing with this problem.   That is heresy. 
 
jt: Hold up Jn, I'm a slow study but it just dawned on me that I should not be labelled "resident heretick" because you are the one who denies the "very heart" of the gospel message.  It is you who denies the fall in the garden of Eden which involved the first man Adam (as representative man) and caused A&E to be banished from the garden so they would not eat from the tree of life and incur the same fate as their new Master?
 
Without this historical event there would be no need for blood at all - flowing or not - so let's re-examine the question of heresy. jt

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