RE: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use

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JD, you just can’t get past the point where Paul transitioned from Romans 7 to Romans 8. He was a sinner in need of saving in Chapter 7.  Then he got saved and filled, and he was a changed man in Chapter 8.  You keep insisting he never made it across the gap.  It doesn’t make anyone one whit holier to drag down the righteous to the level of one’s peer group.  I have no fear of ever being abused by Paul or any other godly person.  I just like to hang with folks who can encourage me to take the next step up (not down). Call that coarseness or attitude or any other nasty name you want.  I at least can tell the difference between a pearl and a pig, and I don’t get them mixed up. To hang out with pearls you have to climb out of the mud. You can’t say, “Hey, Paul, etc, are in here with me, so it’s perfectly fine!”  That’s an insult to Paul, and an insult to Jesus who makes us new creatures in Christ.  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 11:48 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] vessels meet for masters use   In a message dated 2/20/2005 7:57:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I cannot even finish reading this post, JD.  It’s such a perfect example of liberalism—nothing but bad news due to only seeing evil where there is good and visa-versa.  Disgusting. It is God through Paul (we believe) who leveled the claim that we all "are falling short of his glory."   It is God (we believe) who included the good, bad and ugly in the accounting of nearly every biblical character.   Sin is disgusting.    It is disgusting in my life when manifested in event sin  --   and it is disgusting as expressed in the intolerance, harshness and exclusiveness of several on TT.   What is most disgusting to me, however, is the fantasy that righteousness is something we are gifted to accomplish, denying the "living sacrifice"  (i..e. "continual flow of the blood of the Lamb") that is the central issue as Christ  accomplishes His  ministry of reconciliation.   You read me poorly, once again, if you think my emphasis is negative when it comes to  living The Life   --    I assure,  it is not.   The gospel properly understood (IMO) is all about God and not about me  -  in terms of what is brought to the light of a mature and spiritual walk.   Well-adjusted people are sick and tired of this beating of old dead negative horses. I am beginning to wonder if you really know any "well-adjusted people."    If one receives a prophet’s reward for receiving a prophet, what kind of reward does one expect to receive from slandering men of God? So be careful what you say to me  --  is that a part of the lesson here?  I wouldn’t dare to speak against them.  In this comment, there is reason for real sadness.   Those who entertain such "reverence" for specific others are, often,  given to being abused by those same individuals.     This is a discussion group  --  challenging these "men of God" is a part of what we do here.  There was a time when I lobbied for a unity of spirit on this site.    That was rejected so many times and in so many personal ways,  that I have decided to surrender that cause.   It was rejected, first by others, and is now rejected by me.   We are not all on the same page, here on TT.    When David writes down on me, when Kevin tries his version of sarcasm,   they know to expect a response.   I will tell you one opponent on this list that actually disagrees with me, probably as thoroughly as anyone but WITHOUT THE PUT-DOWN ATTITUDE OF DAVID OR THE COARSENESS OF DEEGAN is Charles Perry.    He can blast away but without the offense I see in the other two.   And I do not include him  in the above considerations.    But then, Iook up at them; not down.  Izzy