Sent: February 27, 2005 19:52
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Albert Einstein
& Karl Barth
Does Barfh teach that the human words of the Bible are
not the very words of God, but rather are a fallible human "witness" to the
words of God?
"The Bible is God's Word so far as God lets it be his Word" (Barth,
Church Dogmatics, I / 2, 123)
"THE WORD WHICH ENTERS HUMAN EARS AND IS UTTERED BY HUMAN LIPS, IS THE
WORD OF GOD--ONLY WHEN THE MIRACLE TAKES PLACE. OTHERWISE, IT IS JUST A
HUMAN WORD LIKE ANY OTHER. ... What stands there, in the
pages of the Bible, is the witness to the Word of God ...
God can be called truth only when 'truth' is understood in the sense
of the Greek word 'aletheia'" (Barth, Romans).
LOL The more obscure the better for the scholars &
politicians
"If you ask about God and if I am really to tell about him, dialectic is
all that can be expected from me. ... Neither my affirmation nor my denial
lays claim to being God's truth. Neither one is more than a witness to that
truth which stands in the center, between every Yes and No. And therefore
I have never affirmed without denying and never denied without
affirming, for neither affirmation nor denial can be final. If my
witness to the final answer you are seeking does not satisfy you, I am sorry.
It may be that my witness to it is not yet sufficiently clear, that is, that I
have not limited the Yes by the No and the No by the Yes incisively enough to
set aside all misunderstanding-- incisively enough to let you see that nothing
is left except that upon which the Yes and the No, and the No and the Yes,
depend. But it may also be that your refusal of my answer arises from your not
having really asked your question, from your not having asked about God--for
otherwise we should understand each other" (Karl Barth, The Word of God and
the Word of Man, Pilgrim Press, p. 209).
Karl Barth was asked did he have the same reservations about St. Joseph
as about Our Lady. "Not at all" he replied; "I love St.
Joseph. I rejoiced when John XIII inserted his name in the Roman
Canon. I intend to ask Paul VI to give him prominence," and then a memorable
word, "He protected the Child; he will protect the Church." More radically
direct was the very sharp criticism of the Marian text by J.J. von Almen of
Neuchatel University, Pastor of the Swiss Reformed Church, who held that the
Council had no right to eliminate St. Joseph. He was the guarantor before
Israel of the messianic tradition and he is the model of male sanctity as is
Our Lady of female holiness.
"The assumption that Jesus is the Christ (1.4) is, in
the strictest sense of the word, an assumption, void of any content that can
be comprehended by us" (Barth, Romans, p. 36).
"THIS TOMB MAY PROVE TO BE DEFINITELY CLOSED OR AN EMPTY TOMB: IT IS
REALLY A MATTER OF INDIFFERENCE." (Barth, The Resurrection of
the Dead, p. 135).
"In a later letter to Gordon W. Clark, Carl F.H. Henry gave a pointed
account of the occasion. When he, Henry, asked Barth whether the resurrection
event was of such a nature in covering it, that it would have been regarded in
the same sense in which the man on the street understands news, Barth became
visibly angry and asked, sarcastically, 'Did you say Christianity Today or
Christianity yesterday?' He then continued by saying that 'the
resurrection of Jesus had significance only for His
disciples,' implying that it had no significance to the world. The
religious editor of United Press International, Louis Cassels, said upon
leaving, 'We got Barth's answer; it was 'Nein' [the German word for 'no']'
(Gordon H. Clark, Historiography--Secular and Religious, The Craig Press,
1972, reprinted in Christian News Encyclopedia, Vol. 2, p. 1480).
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The biblical message is the important
issue. Most important. Having said that, here
is one more quote from Barth showing the state of affairs in his heart
toward Christ. I any have poorly influenced by misquotes and
lies about this man, perhaps the following will help put his thinking into
context. He says what every person on TT believes and has
expressed in some manner of script:
"But, if it is true that this
Jesus Christ who was crucified and delivered up to death for us is risen and
alive, then it is also true that we who are crucified and dead in Him have a
future and hope in the light of the judgment and end which has come upon us
in Him.......With His death our death, the death which every man must some
day suffer, the death of all flesh is in fact "swallowed up in
victory."
Case closed.
Congrats to
Andy from one who knows how hard he must work. In the "finals" is the
opportunity to have ultimate success. Keep putting yourself in
that match, and championship after championship will
happen. But you know this. Awesome, dude,
from a complete stranger and fellow matster.
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